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    Another ID thread. Why do I always get the weird ones?

    Got this from a local guy. He knew nothing about it. It feels light but that means nothing at this point.

    What I do know...

    Frame:
    Near vertical rear dropouts w/ adjusters
    26.4 or possibly 26.6 seatpost size
    English threading and 68mm BB shell
    BoCaMa Competition lugs
    Internal cable routing on top tube

    Fork:
    May not be original to frame
    BoCaMa fork crown
    Campagnolo fork ends

    Most likely Reynolds 531 tubing















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    Could it possibly be an Olmo??
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    Quote Originally Posted by 23skidoo View Post
    Could it possibly be an Olmo??
    You call that an Olmo? THIS is an Olmo. Right there behind ky0cef's Paramount. Haha.



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    Anybody else care to throw out an idea?
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    Check for a tubing logo on the steering tube. Looks high end Japanese to me.
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    The quality paint job clearly marks this as an Italian frame! <snicker>
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    Quote Originally Posted by wrk101 View Post
    Check for a tubing logo on the steering tube. Looks high end Japanese to me.
    Specs are up top. No logo found on steerer. How common were BoCaMa lugs on Japanese frames?
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    Andrew there's something about the end of the stays at the rear drops that looks familiar but I can't dredge it up right now.
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    Found another bike with the same rear dropouts. These are just pantographed "Basso".





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    I'll have to look but I think my Bianchi Protos have the same or very similar drops but stamped shipmano.
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    Quote Originally Posted by VeloBrox View Post
    The quality paint job clearly marks this as an Italian frame! <snicker>
    Almost looks to be powder-coated, and if so, none too well, but that does look like primer under those paint chips. I wonder how bad it looked before someone made it look bad again? No clue. Could be a Cilo; they often had those lugs.

    Another ID thread. Why do I always get the weird ones?

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    I did a trade with a local guy guy t help him out. Needless to say, he didn't help me any. I just want to get out from under it. Tired of looking at it.

    Quote Originally Posted by RobbieTunes View Post
    Almost looks to be powder-coated, and if so, none too well, but that does look like primer under those paint chips. I wonder how bad it looked before someone made it look bad again? No clue. Could be a Cilo; they often had those lugs.

    Another ID thread. Why do I always get the weird ones?

    Perhaps that should be a lesson to you, young man........
    I know, I know; you can't help yourself.

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    Chainstays appear to have originally been painted past the bottom bracket shell, from the looks of the roughened-up chrome.

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    Measurements? Looks like a 58cm.

    Doubt if the fork is for that frame, or the rear would have eyelets, also.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RobbieTunes View Post
    Measurements? Looks like a 58cm.

    Doubt if the fork is for that frame, or the rear would have eyelets, also.
    It can't be the original fork. The rake is wrong, as well.

    It's 58cm CTT with a 57-57.5cm TT.
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    I have a Giuseppi Limongi built frame that has the same end work on the stays. Can we see inside the BB shell? The shot-in junction at the top is not consistent but Pepe built a lot of styles.
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    Is that a sticker/decal that has been painted over on the right side of the seattube in picture 7?

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    The fish mouth stay ends are kind of a Gitane trademark and it does have French lugs. Just a thought. It's a much later model than I would be familiar with.

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    Agreed, the fork is not OEM to the frame. Besides the difference in eyelets, the finishing of the blade and stay ends is totally different.

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    Looks European, but beyond that I don't know. I suspect the fork is not original.

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    Quote Originally Posted by realestvin7 View Post
    Found another bike with the same rear dropouts. These are just pantographed "Basso".
    They are almost certainly Gipiemme semi-vertical dropouts:


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    Quote Originally Posted by Bianchigirll View Post
    I'll have to look but I think my Bianchi Protos have the same or very similar drops but stamped shipmano.
    Shimano "UF" dropouts are quite similar, but were not as widely used as the Gipiemme version, as the UFs had breakage issues:



    The rear derailleur hanger on the OP's frame more closely resembles the Gipiemme dropout as well.


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    With all due respect, the subject dropouts look more like the Shimano. On the Gipiemme, the thicker portion is restricted to the immediate vincinity of wheel and derailleur mounting areas, while on the Shimano there is a thick web interconnecting the two areas. The OP's droputs clearly have the thicker portion extending between the two areas, similar to the Shimano dropout.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ftwelder View Post
    I have a Giuseppi Limongi built frame that has the same end work on the stays. Can we see inside the BB shell? The shot-in junction at the top is not consistent but Pepe built a lot of styles.
    I'll see if I can get one in a bit.

    Quote Originally Posted by seypat View Post
    Is that a sticker/decal that has been painted over on the right side of the seattube in picture 7?
    The previous owner clamped a pump pug right there while the paint was still a little wet. Lol.

    Quote Originally Posted by Grand Bois View Post
    The fish mouth stay ends are kind of a Gitane trademark and it does have French lugs. Just a thought. It's a much later model than I would be familiar with.
    Too bad it has English threads.

    Quote Originally Posted by T-Mar View Post
    Agreed, the fork is not OEM to the frame. Besides the difference in eyelets, the finishing of the blade and stay ends is totally different.
    How coincidental that the replacement fork has a BoCaMa crown.
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