polishprojectil

I am looking at a 1970 Gran Sport CAMPAGNOLO STRADA crank in good condition, much like the one in this link:
https://velobase.blogspot.ca/2010/10/...rt-strada.html
Can anyone tell me what one of these is worth?
Also if some Campy gods would please stand up and tell me how this different from the Record?
Was the weight that much difference?
Was the performance that much difference?

I am trying to get the most Campy for my buck
Have done alot of research but not with much luck.
Thanks for your time!
Cheers!

JPZ66

Let me offer this link as a place to get some additional info on Campagnolo...

https://campyonly.com/history/campy_timeline.html

Gran Sport is basically entry level Campy, however, it is still a nice looking crank, and the other components are respectable. You really should check this crank around the central web for cracking - easiest to see on the back side or interior of the crank. No, not top of the line, nor are they the lightest.

I have found these crank sets, with decent shape double chainrings for average $65-95USD. Really nice ones go for more. Although it does seem that prices for any vintage Campy products is rising.

Cheers,

Joe

polishprojectil

That link has some amazing info! Thanks JPZ.
It still leaves me wondering though, for the cost (around $65-95) is the GS a bargen? Or is it worth it to buck up and pay the extra sheckles for Record?
Also I have heard the GS has frewer problems with cracks and fractures, is this true?
Thanks!

JPZ66

I think it comes down to a few factors. What is your weight. How strong a rider are you and how much stress you put on the crank - do you hammer up hills a lot ? Also, if you examine a crankset up close, often the edge will be rather sharp on the inside edges of the main spider. This area can be carefully beveled and smoother which will help eliminate stress risers that lead to cracks. The early 70's Nuovo Record cranks are probably more noted for stress cracking. Also keep in mind the crank arm length, and be sure it is what you need.
What era or years are you looking for ? I think the C Record, and early Chorus are the best balance for weight, cost, strength, and they look great, but that is just my opinion. I don't think any of the cranks are bad, but I would inspect them before buying, and perhaps cleanup the edges as I mention above.
The top end Record can be very nice, but if they are used and abused, won't be much better than anything else. In the end it comes down to what you have the budget for I suppose. Shop around and I'm sure you can find a decent deal on what you want.

Cheers,

Joe

eschlwc

i have one hanging on my kitchen wall. pretty little thing.

rootboy 

What's the bike it's going on?

Captain Blight

Interesting! I was under the impression that the Gran Sport cranks were all 3-pin. Campy is largely a closed book to me, I find.

JPZ66

On another note, in so far as "trying to get the most Campy..." Spend the money on the rear derailleur first, then the other components IMHO. You want the shifting to be nice and smooth and precise. Make sure the cables are new and everything is properly adjusted. A little extra time making things perfect here will pay dividends in riding pleasure ! Another area worth spending a bit more on is the bottom bracket, as it gets the full work load everytime you pedal. Pay more attention to quality brake pads, for improved stopping power, and in general terms make sure everything is cleaned, well greased or lubed and adjusted properly.

Cheers,

Joe

lostarchitect 

I think that's Nuovo Gran Sport?

repechage

They evolved.
3 pin Steel arms, then 3 pin alloy arms then 5 pin 144 BCD.

dbakl

Yeah, I think they were all Nuovo Gran Sports.

Andycapp

I've got a pair of five-pin at 116 BCD. They made them in 144 as well?

repechage

Those might be Triomphe, Victory. The Last of the Gran Sport lineage had a 144 BCD I am pretty certain.

repechage

Campagnolo was not 100% reliable with a name for the group. When they finally brought out a complete ensemble with brakes it was alternately called Gran Sport and Nuovo Gran Sport, but at that time it sill had a 3 pin crank, just with alloy arms.

Andycapp

They're these ones:
https://velobase.com/ViewComponent.as...m=115&AbsPos=2

And to answer my own question they did both:
https://velobase.com/ViewComponent.as...m=115&AbsPos=1

JohnDThompson 

No. Over the years, Gran Sport came in both steel and aluminum 3-pin versions, and aluminum 5-arm versions with either 144mm BCD or 116mm BCD.

fietsbob

JDT is just missing the 5 arm 144bcd pictures ..

I think the production dies were just a bit different, the groove in the arm in the die
rather than machined out, and a matte finish rather than polished.. and 170 only
functionally , they got the job done..

repechage

That one is a new one to me, "Victory" era due to the different chainring style AND with revised arms for the smaller BCD, quite a bit of tooling money expended for a short term part, Yes? No wonder the mid to later 80's were dark days for Campagnolo.

To the others, yes the G.S. arms were of a different mfg. process than the Record/Super Record.

JohnDThompson 

This actually came out a couple years before Victory/Triomphe in the 1981 "Olympic" catalog:

02Pilot

Since we're on the subject, what's the general feeling on the aluminum 3-pin GS cranks? Are they less durable than the 5-pin pieces?

Reason I ask is that I've got one that has the chainring attachment arrangement (two stacked bolts on each pin, with the inner ring bolted to the outer ring rather than the spider) of the steel unit pictured above, but is aluminum.

ftwelder

I have a set 0304 in near perfect condition. They are very pretty.

rootboy 

A buddy of mine in Salt Lake liked the chromed ones so much he mounted them on his Gios. I thought he was loony, as he has the original Super Record cranks, but he likes 'em.

noglider 

No, it's not a bargain. You don't buy Campy to get a bargain.

Performance? Its job is to turn the chain. Most cranks do that fine. If you pedal really hard, your cranks and chainrings will flex. Some flex more than others. I'll bet this crank flexes more than some and less than others. If you like the aesthetics, it could be perfect for you.

There, I just used a whole lotta words to say very little.

repechage

Never saw those in real life back in the day. Campagnolo must have been working on the Next generation stuff and pulled the chainring design forward into production, the aesthetic just does not work in concert with the arms. With the later Victory and Triomphe, yes. The later tow are probably some of the Campagnolo cranks that fly below the radar demand wise. Nicely finished too.

repechage

When the steel armed cranks came out, it was rumored that they were lighter as a complete chain set than the Record. On ebay the closing prices always amaze me on them.