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    Can you help identify this frame?

    Hi everyone. I recently bought a complete bike from a guy who had owned it since new. He said that it is a Mondia from the mid to late '70s. I'm not sure that is correct, but here's what I do know:
    1)The components are mixed (Weimann, Campi, Suntour, Zeus, TTT, Suguino, Phil Wood) and may or may not be original - I just really want to identify the frame
    2) There is a serial number on BB shell and stamps that reflect the size (56) and on the dropouts (Campagnolo)
    3) The bike is all chrome and has red detailing along the lugs
    4) There aren't any brazons anywhere, not even water cage
    5) This is driving me crazy!

    Thanks for your help. I will respond quickly to suggestions/thoughts.

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    Hi Fojo, welcome to the forum. Can't help you with the builder, but that is a very nice bike! Somebody's really made an effort with the red detailing. My suggestions: replace the foam with (red) cotton bar tape; replace the saddle with something suitably vintage. The rest is just perfect.
    Clunker or not, it's gotta have gears!

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    Early to mid 70's frameset. Judging from the long slot Campy 1010 rear dropouts and lack of braze-ons....and the 1st gen Phil Wood hubs, if they are original to the bike. Lugs look like plain Bocamas, so it could even be a French bike as they used them extensively, plus the Atom pedals...but the conical seat stay caps look unusual.... Looks to be a pretty good quality frameset otherwise, specially with the Campy dropouts and full chroming (which most likely have been mostly covered in paint, originally)...
    How about posting some drive side pics of the bike....

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    Thanks Non-fixie. Actually, since these pics were taken, I have stripped it down, repacked BB, and thoroughly cleaned it. Oh, and yes, the foam is gone and the saddle is now an old Brooks.

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    I wouldn't kick that frame out of bed for eating crackers and when it comes to frames I have high standards.

    The parts are a mix up, but what is the headset and BB? People who put awful saddles on bikes like that tend not to change the headsets and bb. I would guess that the barcon shifters are also original, and those are very very rare in europe. It could be a Mondia which I expected started with campagnolo Nuovo record and a brooks saddle but has been updated/repaired over the years.

    where is this bike? america or europe? and chance of some new photos that are slightly larger? prehaps of under the bottom bracket? How much is shipping of the frame to france!

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    Quote Originally Posted by fojo View Post
    Thanks Non-fixie. Actually, since these pics were taken, I have stripped it down, repacked BB, and thoroughly cleaned it. Oh, and yes, the foam is gone and the saddle is now an old Brooks.
    Good work. And, like comrade Chombi says: more pics please!
    Clunker or not, it's gotta have gears!

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    As requested, more pics. VVUP - Bike is in Boulder, CO and no stamping on BB shell at all. Looking for pics of BB when I had it out, but it's Zeus.
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    [QUOTE=fojo;15134450]As requested, more pics. VVUP - Bike is in Boulder, CO and no stamping on BB shell at all. Looking for pics of BB when I had it out, but it's Zeus.


    I lied, was confused with another bike - BB shell pics on the way (with some sort of serial #)

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    I really like the frame, it doesn't look like something mass produced or from the major manufacturers of bikes. The seat post looks small so it could have thick and heavy tubing from a one off build from a unknown builder. I would be happy to keep calling it a Mondia, early 70's or late 60's even?

    If it was mine I would sell off the cranks, derailleurs and phil wood wheels then with that money build it up with campagnolo nr and hunt for a set of Universal Model 61 brakes. Old brooks and cotton tape preferably in red if I could find it.

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    Well, it's got Italian threading and Campagnolo dropouts. so it's most likely Columbus SL but I'd verify by checking the seat post size and examining the inside bottom of the steerer tube for Columbus' patented helical ridges. Looks like a mass volume frame, anywhere from late 1960s to mid-1970s.

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    Didn't know about the Italian threaded BB....Unless it's a re-thread, common sense tells me that Italian BB's were pretty much mostly the domain of Italian bikes....except for my Medici (which could be considered an "Italian wannabe"), that is..... ....and maybe just a very few more here and there....

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    Quote Originally Posted by T-Mar View Post
    Well, it's got Italian threading and Campagnolo dropouts. so it's most likely Columbus SL but I'd verify by checking the seat post size and examining the inside bottom of the steerer tube for Columbus' patented helical ridges. Looks like a mass volume frame, anywhere from late 1960s to mid-1970s.
    Thanks. What will the seat post size tell me?

    Quote Originally Posted by Chombi View Post
    Didn't know about the Italian threaded BB....Unless it's a re-thread, common sense tells me that Italian BB's were pretty much mostly the domain of Italian bikes....except for my Medici (which could be considered an "Italian wannabe"), that is..... ....and maybe just a very few more here and there....

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    Thanks. So the bike may be Italian? Did Swiss bikes use Italian threaded BB?

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    Quote Originally Posted by fojo View Post
    Thanks. What will the seat post size tell me?



    Thanks. So the bike may be Italian? Did Swiss bikes use Italian threaded BB?
    Actually, I was also going to mention Swiss.....I believe that some Titans had Italian threaded BBs.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chombi View Post
    Actually, I was also going to mention Swiss.....I believe that some Titans had Italian threaded BBs.....
    So could it be a Mondia, like the seller originally stated?

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    Quote Originally Posted by fojo View Post
    So could it be a Mondia, like the seller originally stated?
    No, not a Mondia. Mondias had wrap around seatstays with the serial number in the left side and typically used Nervex lugs. Looks Italian, especially the bullet seattube caps..

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    Quote Originally Posted by fojo View Post
    Thanks. What will the seat post size tell me?
    It gives some insight as to what kind of tubing was used. It isn't foolproof, but Italian frames with Columbus SL or French frames with 531, to name just two possible examples, will usually be consistent in terms of seat post diameter.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fojo View Post
    So could it be a Mondia, like the seller originally stated?
    Could be.....the Swiss seems to have very close relationships with the Italians....I suspect this extends to their bicycles too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chombi View Post
    Could be.....the Swiss seems to have very close relationships with the Italians....I suspect this extends to their bicycles too.
    Well, the Swiss-Italians do. The Swiss-French and the Swiss-Germans - not so much.
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    Mondias used Swiss bottom brackets...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chombi View Post
    Actually, I was also going to mention Swiss.....I believe that some Titans had Italian threaded BBs.....
    I can't seem to find a good pic of a chromed Titan, but if the seat stays are the same, that could be it.

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    Ok guys, what other info do you need to identify this puppy? There's got to be a way.

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    It's not a Mondia...I don't think it's Swiss at all.
    There were several Italian makes that used the "bullet" stay caps, but not so many that used them on a chrome frame with long-point lugs and Campy 1010A dropouts, so this is of somewhat high(ish) quality.
    If it had holes from a headbadge, that's what I'd be concentrating on for a match.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bikingshearer View Post
    It gives some insight as to what kind of tubing was used. It isn't foolproof...
    Which is why I also told the OP to check the inside bottom of the fork's steerer tube.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bikingshearer View Post
    It gives some insight as to what kind of tubing was used. It isn't foolproof, but Italian frames with Columbus SL or French frames with 531, to name just two possible examples, will usually be consistent in terms of seat post diameter.
    I took some measurements of the seatpost as well as outside diameter of seat tube. Maybe the shape of the seatpost could be a clue?
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    Quote Originally Posted by T-Mar View Post
    Which is why I also told the OP to check the inside bottom of the fork's steerer tube.
    more pics for you, including a serial #? on BB shell
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