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    Pre-1960 Raleigh road bike ID - Golden Arrow? (pic heavy)

    I picked this up just this afternoon, and all the seller knew about it was that it belonged to a recently deceased college lecturer. As you can see from the pictures it's very much the old style of road bike with the longer frame, so I assumed it was late 30s or thereabouts. However, the Sturmey hub is dated 1951... so begins the mystery...

    Interesting things I've noticed:

    1) The front and rear wheels do not match
    2) The Sturmey shifter is contemporary with the 1951 rear hub
    3) The wheels are 26 x 1 1/4
    4) The area around the head tube is painted gold, just like on a Golden Arrow
    5) The Lauterwasser handlebars and stem are black, and where the colour has flaked there is no sign of chrome underneath. I know earlier bikes came with black celluloid bars, but the Raleigh catalogues all suggest chromed bars were standard
    6) The herons on the chainring have engraved 'eyes'
    7) The serial number on the frame is 73735

    My guess is that the rear wheel is a later upgrade of sorts, but I was hoping someone might be able to help with an ID. Thanks!











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    Quote Originally Posted by tjkwood View Post
    1) The front and rear wheels do not match
    In what sense? Rims are different styles? Different number of spokes? My '66 DL-1 has 32 spokes in the front and 40 in the rear.

    5) The Lauterwasser handlebars and stem are black, and where the colour has flaked there is no sign of chrome underneath. I know earlier bikes came with black celluloid bars, but the Raleigh
    catalogues all suggest chromed bars were standard
    During wartime, many parts were painted rather than chromed. It could be that even if the bike is a 1951, they were still using war era stock.

    6) The herons on the chainring have engraved 'eyes'
    There are eyes on my '66. Not sure if they're stamped or engraved.

    Awesome find. Looks great.
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    Frank has a Golden Arrow. You may be able to compare bikes a bit.

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    Whether it's a Golden Arrow or not, that bike is definitely older than 1951. Judging by the lugs and the seat stay attachment, I would assume it is from the 30's or earlier. I'm not sure when chrome became available and fashionable, but even before the war it was not that common.

    Whatever it is, it is very cool.

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    Very cool indeed! No white tail on the fender either, a nother nod to an earlier date.

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    Thanks guys, just remembered the serial number - 73735... that's certainly not 50s!

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    The rims seem to be different yeah - the front one is unmarked and in worse condition, and the rear is marked 'Schurmann Super: Made in Germany'

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    Just looked up the serial number and this suggests 1901! Surely that can't be right? I'm still banking on mid-30s

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    Great find, indeed. It looks to be in really good condition for its age. Does it have a 3-speed or a 4-speed hub?
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    Wow - what a spectacular find tjkwood!

    It looks 30's to me, maybe even earlier with that seat lug.
    The lauterwaseer bars are right for a GA but I'm not sure about the black.
    Does the chain ring bolt-on to the crank arm (as shown below?)

    Also - Does it have the "quick release" ears for the fender-mounting wing-nuts located part-way up the seat stays? From what I was told this is an essential feature of the Golden Arrows. It allowed the rider to quickly remove them for competition (and use it to run his errands the rest of the time).



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    Quote Originally Posted by photogravity View Post
    Great find, indeed. It looks to be in really good condition for its age. Does it have a 3-speed or a 4-speed hub?
    It's got a 3 speed AW, so nothing overly special there!

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    Quote Originally Posted by auchencrow View Post
    Wow - what a spectacular find tjkwood!

    It looks 30's to me, maybe even earlier with that seat lug.
    The lauterwaseer bars are right for a GA but I'm not sure about the black.
    Does the chain ring bolt-on to the crank arm (as shown below?)

    Also - Does it have the "quick release" ears for the fender-mounting wing-nuts located part-way up the seat stays? From what I was told this is an essential feature of the Golden Arrows. It allowed the rider to quickly remove them for competition (and use it to run his errands the rest of the time).



    It hasn't got the wngnuts you show... does this reclude it from being a GA? And yeah the crank is the same as the one in the photo. I'm so happy with it, couldn't say no (for a good price too )

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    Quote Originally Posted by tjkwood View Post
    It hasn't got the wngnuts you show... does this reclude it from being a GA? And yeah the crank is the same as the one in the photo. I'm so happy with it, couldn't say no (for a good price too )
    You have a fantastic bike there - but I think probably not a GA. The slack angles and Lauterwasser bars were common to many sporting bikes in the 30s.

    Kurt from the Headbadge would probably be the last word on what model it actually is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by auchencrow View Post
    You have a fantastic bike there - but I think probably not a GA. The slack angles and Lauterwasser bars were common to many sporting bikes in the 30s.

    Kurt from the Headbadge would probably be the last word on what model it actually is.
    Peter Kohler is also a great resource for Raleigh bicycles of this era.
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    Thanks everyone for the info and help - let's see what Kurt has to say

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    My serial charts don't go back as far as this bike, but it is most likely a late-1930's Sports with a replacement rear hub and shifter:

    http://sheldonbrown.com/retroraleigh...9/pages/11.htm


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    I think you're right Kurt, seems to add up - thanks!

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    IS the chainring swaged to the crank or bolted on?
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    Does it have a headbadge or a decal? Oiler port at the BB? Better pics of lugs would help. And does it seem to be repainted, thus no decals?

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    Quote Originally Posted by nlerner View Post
    Does it have a headbadge or a decal? Oiler port at the BB? Better pics of lugs would help. And does it seem to be repainted, thus no decals?
    The headbadge is just a standard 'The Raleigh' one, and there's an oiler port yeah. And on second inspection you're right, it could have been repainted skilfully

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    Quote Originally Posted by tjkwood View Post
    .... it could have been repainted skilfully
    More likely the faded decals were scrubbed off by a PO. At least I doubt that this bike, such as it is in this "as-found" condition, spent much time at CycleArt.
    The old lead-based black Raleigh paint is very durable, and if it is original, you'll know for sure once you go over it with some Meguiars' scratch-X - because it will shine like new!
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    Quote Originally Posted by auchencrow View Post
    More likely the faded decals were scrubbed off by a PO. At least I doubt that this bike, such as it is in this "as-found" condition, spent much time at CycleArt.
    The old lead-based black Raleigh paint is very durable, and if it is original, you'll know for sure once you go over it with some Meguiars' scratch-X - because it will shine like new!
    That's a fair point... by the sounds of it the college lecturer was the original owner and left it standing for some years before now. Do you know what the main ingredient in scratch-x is? I'm in the UK and we don't have it over here... thanks so much for all the help

    EDIT: just found it online! my bad!
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    Quote Originally Posted by auchencrow View Post
    Does it have the "quick release" ears for the fender-mounting wing-nuts located part-way up the seat stays? From what I was told this is an essential feature of the Golden Arrows. It allowed the rider to quickly remove them for competition (and use it to run his errands the rest of the time).
    My '51 Clubman has those mounting ears, as well -- I'm not sure they were unique to the Golden Arrow. Anyway, if Kurt says it's a Sports, I'll believe him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by brianinc-ville View Post
    My '51 Clubman has those mounting ears, as well -- I'm not sure they were unique to the Golden Arrow. Anyway, if Kurt says it's a Sports, I'll believe him.
    They are not unique* to the GA, but AFAIK, it can't be a Golden Arrow without them.

    (* they were also on the Silver Record and RRA at least)
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    Quote Originally Posted by auchencrow View Post
    They are not unique* to the GA, but AFAIK, it can't be a Golden Arrow without them.

    (* they were also on the Silver Record and RRA at least)
    Mine is for sure a Golden Arrow and does not have QR's for the fenders or bag supports. I think the OP's is a war-era golden arrow. The GA and the roadsters were still using the cast lugs found on the OP's bike but the sports models had continental style seat stays. **** "Chrome plating wasn't used prior to '35 (THIS IS WRONG)**** and the head-clip was gone by the early 40's. It also has bolt-on pump pegs like mine. The Golden Arrow was not really much of a sports model. It was more of a prestige model reflecting style trends, not racing. Things like cast lugs, primitive geometry and non-removable chain ring.

    I am going to say early 40's Golden arrow. my SN is 59928 and is about 1936.

    I can't tell much from the OP's photos. Here is a link to my photos.

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/5244889...7624518788173/


    IMG_3827 by barnstormerbikes, on Flickr

    Here is a GA said to be close to the same vintage as mine with GA transfers in tact but much more like a sports model. May be mine is older? IDK
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