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    Snow day arrival: Frejus

    So, today The Brown Man delivered a couple of interesting acquisitions, one of which you see here:



    Don't know what year it is, but clearly 70's or early 80's since it's 5 speed freewheel.


    Kind of a mish mash of components, but perhaps common back in the day. Ofmega crankset, Campy RD/FD, Simplex shifters.



    It's grimy and needs detailing but the decals all seem to be in nice condition.




    Brakes are Weinmann 605's and brake levers are in generally good condition. Amazing hoods- filthy but don't seem to be deteriorating.



    Wheelset is a mismatch. Different Weinmann rims (front is concave, rear is a box.

    Any ideas on value of the frame and components? It's really a little large for me to ride and while I know that max value would be obtained by parting it out, it might be better to keep it all of a piece. Sadly, no seatpost or saddle...
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    Hmm, very different frame from the 60s and 70s Frejuses I have. Did they survive into the 80s?

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    Hey! The Brown Man must have delivered it to the wrong address, Doc - That one's MY size!

    I'm jealous! - Except for those '605 calipers, that is. They are utterly impossible to center without the tool, which BTW, is unobtanium.
    You can't even whack the springs to center them because they're set in rubbbbubber!

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    Interesting bike. Has it got a number up by the seat cluster? How about stamp under the BB?

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    Nothing I can find around the seat cluster.

    Serial # on the BB is 820070.

    So...maybe an '82?
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    Not sure. Compare here;
    http://www.classicrendezvous.com/Ita...al_numbers.htm
    But these numbers were usually stamped up near the seat lug, AFIK.

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    Congrats on your new ride. I'm pretty sure they ended production in the mid-70s, but I've misunderstood a few things before, about Frejuses. But it makes me wonder, if Bianchi aquired the Frejus name, they wouldn't have made any more bikes labeled as Frejus, would they? (?)

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    The CR site doesn't help as the serial on the frame doesn't fit into their numbering sequence. Bozzi decal on the frame and he was killed in the 70's, but haven't determined whether the facility continued for a while until Bianchi bought the name.

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    Naw, there doesn't seem to be any rhyme nor reason to those numbers on the registry, but I encourage you to add your frame there nonetheless.
    I'll take a wild stab at it and say mid 70's too. Maybe toward the end of their production. With the lack of a number stamped up near the seat cluster and the made it Italy sticker on the head tube, etc. I'll wager the only component still on the bike that is original is the front derailleur. Maybe the brakes.

    For some interesting lore, research where the name for your bike came from. Quite fascinating.
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    Thanks, everyone. Lack of top tube cable guides and 120 OLD/5 speed FW made me think mid-late 70's as well, but was a little thrown off by the DT shifter braze on mounts. Have spent a lot of time trying to get a firmer answer to the date question and have come to the conclusion that it's just not out there. Not sure where this will go since the frame is larger than I usually ride, but if nothing else I'll clean it up, rub it down, touch it up and wax it, and see whether I want to invest more time in it. Seatpost is 27.2, so it's quality tubing.

    I could see putting a later 126 OLD 6 or 7 speed group on it, but will likely sell off the components that are on it now.
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    By the late 1960s, Frejus had stopped stamping serial numbers in the seat tube, marking the BB from then on with a different number sequence. Just what happened to Frejus in the 1970s is a mystery to me. (The story of Bozzi having been kidnapped and murdered by terrorists may be wrong: I haven't been able to find any report of it in Italian newspaper archives.) There are a number of Frejus-badged racing bikes made in the 70s that don't have the characteristic seat lug treatment of the earlier bikes. These may be lower priced frames or might have been made by another factory (perhaps Bianchi, which owns the Legnano brand) that bought the name.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rccardr View Post
    I could see putting a later 126 OLD 6 or 7 speed group on it, but will likely sell off the components that are on it now.
    Yes, that bike is crying out for some stuff to match that front derailleur, and a set of Universal model 61 or 68 brakes.
    I use a 126 rear wheel , 5 speed, on my Frejus sometimes. It showed up with an old set of clinchers that way, and it works OK.

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    So, how do you pronounce the name anyway...."Freh-yoos"??....."Freh-joos"??...."Free-Joos"??...."Free-yoos"??.........."Fred"??........

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    ...and, as it turns out the rear spacing is 126.
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    ...and, as it turns out the rear spacing is 126.
    That seems consistent with the lugs in dating it to the mid-late 1970s at the earliest. 1982 wouldn't be a stretch at all, though it suggests it was made by another company.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chombi View Post
    So, how do you pronounce the name anyway...."Freh-yoos"??....."Freh-joos"??...."Free-Joos"??...."Free-yoos"??.........."Fred"??........
    Ha, good question. I googled it awhile back, & asked for the pronunciation, & got a few audio clips, so that's what I recommend you do, so you'll know. But it's basically fray- zhoos, with the "j" being pronounced like some upper-class wannabes pronounce the 2nd "g" in garage. Kind of an airy mispronounced "g".

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    There is a Frejus and Legnano group page on flickr, titled "E. Bozzi group: Frejus and Legnano"
    Here: http://www.flickr.com/groups/1330352@N21/

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    Yep, been through it and nothing looks like the one in the Lab. Note that mine doesn't have the twin long stripes on the seat tube that is typical of Frejus paint jobs, nor the contrasting color head tube. But clearly this white one is a quality frame- Campy dropouts (1010's, I think), windowed lugs and pretty sure it's Reynolds 531 based on the remains of the decal on the front of the top tube and 27.2 seatpost.
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    I've been dancing around the obvious for a time, but it clearly isn't a Frejus. The too-nice decals, the 126mm spacing, 27.2mm seat post, windowed lugs & componentry add up to a 1980ish bike with a good tube set. The seat lug treatment is one I've never seen on a Frejus. If the BB is Italian it is a nice Italian frame, possibly built & badged by Bianchi, but just as likely to be made by somebody else.
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    I think I'm with you on this , Michael. Though I t'aint no expert it doesn't look like a Frejus frame to me. One question though. I had to source a Campy Record seat post for mine. Measured and looked around and settled on a 27.2 post. It is a bit snug. But fits. Should it be 27.0? Or, is it that mid-70's Frejus frames used a different tubing????

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    I considered the same possibility, but it has unquestionable provenance. It was purchased new by the PO (who for reasons I won't go into here can be considered unimpeachable) as a Frejus directly from a bike shop (sticker is still on the seat tube). He's older and can't recall the exact year, but he thinks mid to late 70's. Bozzi decal makes me think pre-Bianchi (why put someone else's name on a bike with 531?). The frame itself isn't all that banged up and it was stored inside his home, which may be why the delicate decals are still in good shape.

    End of the day: looks like a very nice frame, probably great rider. Maybe not a prize, but solid. Windowed lugs, quality tubing, Campy dropouts, etc.
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    It does look like a nice frame. And it may even have been sold new as a Frejus. What is clear is that it has none of the earmarks of the bikes Frejus made into the 1970s. The top tier bikes as well as the lower level ones used different lugs and seat stay treatments. Also, I've never seen a monochrome Frejus. Even the chrome frames have chromovelato head tubes and seat tube bands.

    Given the lug work, drop-outs and windowed lugs, your frame is no entry-level bike!

    If Bianchi or somebody else bought the rights to use the Frejus/Bozzi name and produced a few bikes this could be one of those. Likewise, it could be that some bike frames were contracted out or purchased from another builder to complete orders in hand after the factory closed.

    All idle speculation, and I'd cheerfully accept correction from those who know better!
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    Quote Originally Posted by aixaix View Post
    I've been dancing around the obvious for a time, but it clearly isn't a Frejus.
    I thought I kinda said that in the second post :-)

    I know Bianchi did sell some frames as Legnano, hadn't seen any as Frejuses.

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    Like I say, I'm certainly no authority. Has anyone seen any other Frejuses....Freji...with cutouts in the lugs?
    It sure is a nice frame.

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