tjkwood

Hi all,

I recently stumbled across this, and it seems to be a really noble pursuit of sorts - the bottles are really beautiful and Birmingham is now a centre of the British cycle industry (Brooks and Pashley are both nearby). What are your thoughts?

Coloral

Gary Fountain

It is a very aesthetically pleasing water bottle and I do hope the Coloral company can be revived.

rootboy 

I do wish them luck. That's a huge chunk of change they're trying to raise...for a fairly esoteric item.

Velognome 

+1 Would be cool but $125K seems a bit steep to tweek the dimension and produce 2000 bottles, unless they are thinking the first run will be 100% profit. Seems they'd be better off partnering with Brooks than going alone if they're after the made in England ethos....yes, I know, Brooks outsources their Mfg'ing.

1987

Thanks for the info. I just love enthusiasts.

tjkwood

Agreed - I really want to see this succeed but the target seems a little bit unrealistic for such a niche product. The team behind it don't seem to have a huge knowledge beyond what they've researched, but I can only assume they've approached others for help. I hope that they come back with a revised target and manage to get this off the ground...

unworthy1

Yes I heard about this on the CR list and there's much about it that is very admirable and I hope they succeed, I also doubt this water bottle will be a big money-maker: tiny market for this specific item, hugely over-saturated in general with tons of stainless bottles from Asia.
However, I'm feeling a little burned by my last Kickstarter foray and I'll leave this one to those deeper pockets...I'd like to see some of the 1%-ers wasting their fortunes on useless pastimes like the America's Cup dropping a little cash into this enterprise...probably could fund it fully in seconds with "lunch-money"...but...there I go, again! (to quote somebody or other)

3speedslow

Yikes ! Most of my bikes didn't cost me more then 125 $

ScottRyder 

Ouch!

I do miss the good old days of Cup racing, the Newport years.

Scott

Velognome 

But this bottle will...follow their business plan and they are saying the first bottle out will have a mfg. cost of $62.50...so if they are going to turn a profit, the retail should be north of $120...sadly, a cycle shop in France is currently selling a similar vitage bottle for $31.00



https://www.ebay.com/itm/Old-bottle-w...item51afe58e15

Or you can buy the real-deal 2 bottle plus cage for less than $600



https://www.ebay.com/itm/2-ALUMINUM-W...item460953ddf9

Now, if I were to wade into the repro pool bottle pool for $250+ for 2 new "Coloral" bottles and still have to find a cage.....I'd just go for the deep end and drop the $600 for the vintage bottles and be done with it!

sigh...I still drink from plastic

Italuminium

Jeez, why stainless steel? If you want to bring coloral back just make them Al! And way overpriced. I got my dad one of those swiss Sig bottles in beautiful aluminium for his birthday and they didn't cost as much (even though it's a lot for a water bottle), plus they're available in many colours... A wrong headed solution for a non-existant problem, this kickstarter.

rootboy 

I could use a kick start ....most mornings.

I think my plugs are fouled.

Bike Rat

Aluminum leaches, there's huge controversy whether it's dangerous or not...to health.

Velognome 

It's in your deodorant

iab

I wish them good luck. And the majority of the $125K will be for the capital costs. Seems on the low-end to me, probably getting used machinery. Last week I got a quote for $380K for molds for 3 very small plastic parts and the assembly machine.

ScottRyder 

I have a weakness for alloy bottles, here's an Italian one:



Scott

rootboy 

I think they should make them of aluminum too. They could always coat them inside. You know...with something like....BPA.

clasher

Many restaurants all over the world uses aluminum cookware that isn't coated with anything. I think it's pretty certain that aluminum isn't harmful to human health and especially in the context of neutral drinking water I don't understand what could possibly be leaching into the water from the metal anyway given the (hopefully) short contact time typical with a bicycle ride.

Bike Rat

Quote:

Originally Posted by Velognome

It's in your deodorant

Actually, aluminum is in antiperspirant, but deodorant has its own issues. Regardless, for a little tmi, I stopped using both.

Quote:

Originally Posted by rootboy

I think they should make them of aluminum too. They could always coat them inside. You know...with something like....BPA.

Nice, haha! They should just make a lid that attaches to recycled canned food 'tins'.

If you haven't already, I suggest you do some reading on it, I'm sure you'll change your mind. Aluminum cookware is used because it's a low cost metal that has quick temperature modulation...aluminum pan $15, stainless clad aluminum $75, solid copper $300.

The aluminum itself leaches into the water...water from uncoated aluminum containers may have a metallic taste. As for the "short contact time typical with a bicycle ride", 30...60...90 minutes, how long does it take to taste the metal from a coin in your mouth? Many canned foods are coated with BPA to prevent metallic leaching or acidic reaction with the foods within. Also, some bakers use aluminum baking powder, which is known to sometimes give a metallic taste to baked goods.

clasher

I doubt I'll change my mind. Aluminum is one of the most common elements on the planet and our total exposure to it in soils that we eat and and as dust we breath in over a lifetime far exceeds what little could possibly leach into water in a bottle over an hour or two. It's not really used in any biological functions in our bodies either so aluminum is eliminated via the kidneys without much of a problem. I agree that some food can react with bare metal and change taste but that doesn't mean it's "bad" for the human body. I'm not sure what putting coins in my mouth has to do with drinking from aluminum water bottles but if you're scared of the stuff than go ahead and stick with your BPA tin cans or whatever else you wanna use but aluminum is an amazing material and doesn't deserve the bad rep it gets as a dangerous metal. It's great for pots because it's cheap and heats up quicker (saves a lot of fuel money vs. stainless). I'd rather eat from an uncoated can than a BPA one, at least there is legit science showing BPA to be disruptive to the human body.

Velognome 

No machinery, they say they are outsourcing to a local Birmingham steel spinning company to produce the bottle, that's what makes the business plan so outrageous.

David Newton

Is this long necked bottle available currently?
Nice.

ScottRyder 

I haven't been able to find another one anywhere. Bummer.

Scott

Bike Rat

It's uncertain whether aluminum is harmful so I choose to avoid it. Putting coins in your mouth, while not aluminum, was to emphasize how some metals leach or at least cause a metallic taste. The BPA references were tongue-in-cheek, I avoid it as well.

Velognome 

Psst...Bike Rat....your drinking water arrives to you via Copper, Fiberglass & Galvanized pipes etc.