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Old 03-03-05, 03:26 PM   #1
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Future Classics--Any Guesses?

Considering the bikes that people are riding today, does anybody have a guess as to what will be considered a classic in the future?
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You can scratch everything that's mass-produced from the list right now. That leaves... almost nothing.
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I don't know... The more popular Ti bikes will probably still be together and collectable. I don't mind them. The plastic bikes may all be broken though. Hard to say with the aluminum frames. Nicely built steel customs will probably always have a small following, as will race bikes with real provenance (Lance's bikes).
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Litespeeds, Merlins, etc. I think most nice Ti will be well regarded. Rivendell, Waterford, heron, etc. Basically, anything will be looked back on fondly if the technical wizardry and/or love shine through in 20 or 30 years, (and if the bike is still in one piece, that helps, too!) Shoot, I've had mid-nineties MTBS with aluminum frames I thought were worthy of being in a museum, simply for the fact that they were tough as old combat boots and worked perfectly no matter what!
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I've no idea, but I suspect the ones that will be considered classics are the ones the younger sorts are riding now. For example, I expect a billion Bianchi Pistas to show up in thrift stores in about five years, and then they become collectible in twenty because most of them are sent to the scrapyard because all the hip sorts five years from now will be riding recumbents or tricylces or whatever is hip in the near future (it won't be fixies).

The obvious ones are things like the Rivendells and the smaller makers (Alex Singer types). But they may be recalled more as niche bikes than anything else, due to their smaller runs.

It is my personal hope that old French bikes become very hip, so I can sell my collection for several million dollars and then buy them back for a fiver when the market bottoms out. However, I am not counting on it.
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I think a classic bike is one of two things: a bicycle that helped (re)define its niche or a bike with "soul". Most mass produced bikes today are pretty soulless. They're either cheaply made at the lowest cost or they tend to lack the grace that high-end bicycles once possessed.

Maybe it's just contempt bred of newness, but I find it hard to believe that an S-Works will be as revered as a Cinelli Super Corsa or Colnago Mexico or even a Raleigh Record Ace. There's no sense of grace, of the craftsman and craftsmanship about it. It's put together like a fighter jet, modern, sleek, a piece of technology, not an expression of nature.

Part of it is also that those classic builders were big enough to have widespread influence without being so big as to lose their magic. In that realm, I think there are a few manufacturers like Rivendell, Independent Fabrication, or Serotta that strike the right balance between scale and obscurity. They have soul.
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I ride a 'classic' already. 1990 Ritchey P-23 prototype racing frame.

I've seen old pre 90's T.R. ATB's going for over $2000 on ebay.

Anything with a major players name on the frame will be a keeper.

Ritchey, Klien, Brodie, Breeze, Fisher etc....I'm wanting a Fat Chance.

http://www.firstflightbikes.com/atb.htm
http://www.oldmountainbikes.com/links.html reads.

I'd not be so hot on a 10 yr old alu mtb unless Joe Breeze welded it.

The pic is of an 1988 Ti lugged CF mtb by Ibis.
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Original Made in USA BMXs and MTBs including early Mongooses, Redlines, etc.
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Any old lugged carbon is a classic. Dangerous, but hands down a classic. Man that Ibis is gorgeous.
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Shoot, I've had mid-nineties MTBS with aluminum frames I thought were worthy of being in a museum, simply for the fact that they were tough as old combat boots and worked perfectly no matter what!
I have an old Nishiki MTB, must be about 16 years old. That thing is a tank. The only thing I've ever fixed on it was when I went over the bars on the road about a year or so ago b/c I'm an idiot and smashed off the original shifter and brake levers on one side. Otherwise, it's been just regular maintenance and it's all good. I don't ride it that much now that I'm more into road, but it's nice to know that when I want it, it'll be ready.
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I think the 2002 or 2003 Lemond Zurichs will age well and become collectible. Also, the earlier Lemond steel bikes should also become vintage collectible - mass produced or not they are well engineered, well regarded now, and ride well.
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'90s hybrids might become collectible. Don't laugh, you never know. Somebody will put really fat tires on them and they will be the new "29ers". I've already seen some of these turned into cyclocrossers w/drop bars and they look pretty cool.
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'90s hybrids might become collectible. Don't laugh, you never know. Somebody will put really fat tires on them and they will be the new "29ers". I've already seen some of these turned into cyclocrossers w/drop bars and they look pretty cool.
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'90s hybrids might become collectible. Don't laugh, you never know. Somebody will put really fat tires on them and they will be the new "29ers". I've already seen some of these turned into cyclocrossers w/drop bars and they look pretty cool.
You could have a point. Human beings are notoriously bad at predicting the future. Who would have thought that you could have retired on the shoebox of baseball cards your mother tossed out? Or closer to home--that one-speed stove-pipe bomb that you outgrew and gave to the droopy-drawered kid down the street would one day cause an army of collectors to salivate.
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I ride a 'classic' already. 1990 Ritchey P-23 prototype racing frame.



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Agree. They are very nice.
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My Magna 12/18-speed is 40+ pounds of "sure-to-become-classic" fun. Yeah, it only cost me $60.00 new several years back, but the rear derailleur works fine and sometimes the front does too. Those seam welds aren't ugly, they simply add character. It isn't all original though, I had to replace the cantilever brake in the front because the cable constantly rubbed the tire. The rear brake is still original, and the brake cable rubs, but that is actually a safety feature - acting as a sort of governor to ensure I don't hit a bump and accidentally throw myself into lower earth orbit (given the exceptionally high rates of speed this mechanical marvel is capable of attaining - it averaged 70 mph on a trip down to Myrtle Beach last summer... {ok, so it was on the back of the van, but that's just semantics**).

Yes, this will no doubt be considered a "Classic" someday - the day before I start my personal crusade to stop the world because I want to get off. So if any of you want to get your hands on a sure-to-be-classic, and give me one more reason to be mad once that happens - contact me off-list.

oh - btw - this boat anchor miraculously completed the entire C&O canal journey with zero flat tires.
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I think the 1999 Pinarello Prince is a goog candidate. It was the first frame to incorporate carbon fibre rear stays with aluminum tubing, which is pretty much the standard these days. In the past, a bicycle which established an industry trend has pretty much become a classic. To top it off, Pinarello is a prestigious brand.
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the Trek 5200 will be 'HOT' 20 years from now. especially after Lance wins his 7th.
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I'd have to say most of the offerings by Dario Pegoretti
will be collectable, who wouldn't want a bike named "Big legged Emma"?
Some Serottas (the steel CSi, Legend Ti) I don't think CF will be
as collectable.
Baylis, Moon, Sachs, Weigle, and all the other small one man operations
will be very collectable (the Confente of the 21st century?).

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Agree. They are very nice.
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Agreed on the Pinarello. That's sort of what I'm saying all in one package: they're big enough that they're not completely obscure while being small enough that it's not just a commodity. That particular modle helped redefine all the other products that share its niche.

I was thinking about this the other day. I think Surly's may be future classics. They're like old Raleighs, pretty much ubiquitous as the common cold. But they're solid frames and should last. They pretty much were the first brand to market a broadly successful modern single speed frame and threw caution to the wind and make all their stuff practical. Fat tires and fenders on a fixed gear road frame...who knew?

The only hangup may be that there's no such thing as a Surly complete apart from the CrossCheck, so quality will vary with every buildup and that makes it hard to simply say "watch for a Steamroller".
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I don't know about "classic", but I'm hoping that my Y2K Serrota built titanium Schwinn Paramount will at least be collectable. I am also on the lookout for a Tim Isaac/match built Reynolds 853 Paramount from the same period. I think these will be collectable to Schwinn road bike fans also.
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