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nycbusi 10-05-13 04:54 PM

1957 Royal Holland ... i think???
 
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I am really hoping someone here can help me at least get the maker/brand of this bike correct.

I have asked on a number of forums and no one has any clue. i even asked in another thread a few weeks ago on this site, but i think it got lost and passed over. :)

I bought this bike from a Dutch American who got it as a boy.

Some pix below and my embarrisngly poor blog which has more pix: http://rustysi.blogspot.com/

http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=344378http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=344379http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=344380http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=344381http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=344382http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=344383http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=344384http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=344385http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=344386http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=344387http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=344388http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=344389

ANY HELP WOULD BE HUUUUUUGELY appreciated!!! :thumb:

Velognome 10-05-13 06:17 PM

Let's see the headbadge

nycbusi 10-05-13 06:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Velognome (Post 16135779)
Let's see the headbadge

Velognome it is in pic #2 ***crossing fingers*** :thumb:

rhm 10-05-13 06:30 PM

Okay, well, first of all let me say, what do I know.


I would not read the name "Royal Holland" but rather "Royal ([made in] Holland)".

The Sturmey Archer trigger shifter dates to the mid 50s. The rear hub almost certainly has a date code stamped on it. The hub model is something like TCS3, and the date code might look like 56 10 which would mean October 1956.

It looks mostly like an English bike, but there are a few details (the chain ring in particular) that are not so English, which is why I believe the Holland idea.

How about a photo of the whole bike? A lot of your photos, forgive me, are pretty useless.

My hunch is that this was a generic bike, sold at a department store. Whoever made it probably made almost the same bike for any number of different retailers. I would look closely at all the other Dutch bike manufacturers you can, Bayavus, Gazelle, Union, whatever, and see if you can match anything.

But what do I know.

nycbusi 10-05-13 06:42 PM

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Originally Posted by rhm (Post 16135798)
The Sturmey Archer trigger shifter dates to the mid 50s. The rear hub almost certainly has a date code stamped on it. The hub model is something like TCS3, and the date code might look like 56 10 which would mean October 1956.

Thanks RHM. I will see if i can find/take another one now. Sincerely appreciate the look and help.

Here is the front hub which is why i dated it a 57:
http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=344395

nycbusi 10-05-13 06:51 PM

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this is the only full side shot pic i have. i put a better headbadge one and some closeups of the decals. THANKS!!!!!!!

http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=344396http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=344397http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=344398http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=344399

Velognome 10-06-13 05:32 AM

Saddle and chain guard looks correct for a '57. Problem is there seem to be 100's of small makers using "Royal" as a brand and many appear to be rebranded British bikes The Fork crown, chain guard and stem all look like a Hercules but the headset looks different.

nycbusi 10-06-13 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Velognome (Post 16136598)
Saddle and chain guard looks correct for a '57. Problem is there seem to be 100's of small makers using "Royal" as a brand and many appear to be rebranded British bikes The Fork crown, chain guard and stem all look like a Hercules but the headset looks different.

gnome - the saddle actually has a cover and the chainguard the seller told me was not original. Are you sure?

Velognome 10-06-13 04:31 PM

Nope, not sure; just looked 50ish. The chain-guard doesn't look original does it. The chrome caps on the fork and the stem look straight out of a Hercules catalog. What are you plans for it?

nycbusi 10-06-13 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Velognome (Post 16137926)
Nope, not sure; just looked 50ish. The chain-guard doesn't look original does it. The chrome caps on the fork and the stem look straight out of a Hercules catalog. What are you plans for it?

Pretty much what i do is grab as many old bikes i think are cool and i fix em up and ride them. I am about 50% of the way there derusting/oiling etc on this guy. I have a roadpuppy i have dedicated most of my time to.

i like the project work that goes into making them usable again and i enjoy being able to ride different styles of bicycles. [ as long as i dont kill myself ;-) ]

Gasbag 10-06-13 06:17 PM

Cool bike. Me myself, I like the oddities in the velo-world. Try some searches using the Dutch words rijwiel (bicycle) fiets (bike) or opafiets (grandpa bike). I'm with Velognome on the possibility of it being a re-badged british bike, the frame has many British characteristics.

David Newton 10-06-13 09:52 PM

There is a Mfgr's decal under the shift cable pulley just under the seat. There may be more info there.

Velognome 10-07-13 04:17 AM

Check out the Hercules Museum site, this may give you some insight at to how a British made bicycle ends up with a "Made in Holland" decal.

http://herculesmuseum.wordpress.com/

nycbusi 10-07-13 08:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Gasbag (Post 16138141)
Cool bike. Me myself, I like the oddities in the velo-world. Try some searches using the Dutch words rijwiel (bicycle) fiets (bike) or opafiets (grandpa bike). I'm with Velognome on the possibility of it being a re-badged british bike, the frame has many British characteristics.

Oddities is exactly what you would call my collection of 15. They have no ryhme or reason, just that i liked them and the price was right. :)

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Originally Posted by David Newton (Post 16138683)
There is a Mfgr's decal under the shift cable pulley just under the seat. There may be more info there.

i did try to read it, but it was worn away. I looked like Made in Holland and then underneath it said Dutch Bicycle Works or something. But it was all worn away. I will see if i have a pic in my archives at home


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Originally Posted by Velognome (Post 16138952)
Check out the Hercules Museum site, this may give you some insight at to how a British made bicycle ends up with a "Made in Holland" decal.

http://herculesmuseum.wordpress.com/

Super interesting. Thanks guys for all the leads. I'm goign to research adn ill let you know what i find!


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