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    1957 Royal Holland ... i think???

    I am really hoping someone here can help me at least get the maker/brand of this bike correct.

    I have asked on a number of forums and no one has any clue. i even asked in another thread a few weeks ago on this site, but i think it got lost and passed over.

    I bought this bike from a Dutch American who got it as a boy.

    Some pix below and my embarrisngly poor blog which has more pix: http://rustysi.blogspot.com/

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    ANY HELP WOULD BE HUUUUUUGELY appreciated!!!

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    Let's see the headbadge

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    Quote Originally Posted by Velognome View Post
    Let's see the headbadge
    Velognome it is in pic #2 ***crossing fingers***

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    Okay, well, first of all let me say, what do I know.


    I would not read the name "Royal Holland" but rather "Royal ([made in] Holland)".

    The Sturmey Archer trigger shifter dates to the mid 50s. The rear hub almost certainly has a date code stamped on it. The hub model is something like TCS3, and the date code might look like 56 10 which would mean October 1956.

    It looks mostly like an English bike, but there are a few details (the chain ring in particular) that are not so English, which is why I believe the Holland idea.

    How about a photo of the whole bike? A lot of your photos, forgive me, are pretty useless.

    My hunch is that this was a generic bike, sold at a department store. Whoever made it probably made almost the same bike for any number of different retailers. I would look closely at all the other Dutch bike manufacturers you can, Bayavus, Gazelle, Union, whatever, and see if you can match anything.

    But what do I know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rhm View Post
    The Sturmey Archer trigger shifter dates to the mid 50s. The rear hub almost certainly has a date code stamped on it. The hub model is something like TCS3, and the date code might look like 56 10 which would mean October 1956.
    Thanks RHM. I will see if i can find/take another one now. Sincerely appreciate the look and help.

    Here is the front hub which is why i dated it a 57:
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    this is the only full side shot pic i have. i put a better headbadge one and some closeups of the decals. THANKS!!!!!!!

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    Saddle and chain guard looks correct for a '57. Problem is there seem to be 100's of small makers using "Royal" as a brand and many appear to be rebranded British bikes The Fork crown, chain guard and stem all look like a Hercules but the headset looks different.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Velognome View Post
    Saddle and chain guard looks correct for a '57. Problem is there seem to be 100's of small makers using "Royal" as a brand and many appear to be rebranded British bikes The Fork crown, chain guard and stem all look like a Hercules but the headset looks different.
    gnome - the saddle actually has a cover and the chainguard the seller told me was not original. Are you sure?

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    Nope, not sure; just looked 50ish. The chain-guard doesn't look original does it. The chrome caps on the fork and the stem look straight out of a Hercules catalog. What are you plans for it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Velognome View Post
    Nope, not sure; just looked 50ish. The chain-guard doesn't look original does it. The chrome caps on the fork and the stem look straight out of a Hercules catalog. What are you plans for it?
    Pretty much what i do is grab as many old bikes i think are cool and i fix em up and ride them. I am about 50% of the way there derusting/oiling etc on this guy. I have a roadpuppy i have dedicated most of my time to.

    i like the project work that goes into making them usable again and i enjoy being able to ride different styles of bicycles. [ as long as i dont kill myself ;-) ]

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    Cool bike. Me myself, I like the oddities in the velo-world. Try some searches using the Dutch words rijwiel (bicycle) fiets (bike) or opafiets (grandpa bike). I'm with Velognome on the possibility of it being a re-badged british bike, the frame has many British characteristics.

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    There is a Mfgr's decal under the shift cable pulley just under the seat. There may be more info there.
    http://davidnewtonguitars.squarespace.com/

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    Check out the Hercules Museum site, this may give you some insight at to how a British made bicycle ends up with a "Made in Holland" decal.

    http://herculesmuseum.wordpress.com/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gasbag View Post
    Cool bike. Me myself, I like the oddities in the velo-world. Try some searches using the Dutch words rijwiel (bicycle) fiets (bike) or opafiets (grandpa bike). I'm with Velognome on the possibility of it being a re-badged british bike, the frame has many British characteristics.
    Oddities is exactly what you would call my collection of 15. They have no ryhme or reason, just that i liked them and the price was right.

    Quote Originally Posted by David Newton View Post
    There is a Mfgr's decal under the shift cable pulley just under the seat. There may be more info there.
    i did try to read it, but it was worn away. I looked like Made in Holland and then underneath it said Dutch Bicycle Works or something. But it was all worn away. I will see if i have a pic in my archives at home


    Quote Originally Posted by Velognome View Post
    Check out the Hercules Museum site, this may give you some insight at to how a British made bicycle ends up with a "Made in Holland" decal.

    http://herculesmuseum.wordpress.com/
    Super interesting. Thanks guys for all the leads. I'm goign to research adn ill let you know what i find!
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