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Old 03-07-05, 02:08 PM   #1
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Raleigh International! Is there any interest in these?

I have this Raleigh International that has been in my basement for years. My riding days are over and I'd be interested to know if there is any following for them. It is in decent shape, but not perfect. It has Campy stuff,ie head set, bb, crank and shift mechs and Weinmann brakes, and Cenelli stem and bars and Brooks Pro saddle. Nice Campagne color and the original pump. It is a 24 1/2 in frame and I used Weinmann rims with 27 1/8 tires. With as much fun as I had with this road bike, I'm sure it is time for it to find a new home. Where do I begin? Thanks for any insight or help you can offer.
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Old 03-07-05, 03:15 PM   #2
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Here is some info on the International - http://www.retroraleighs.com/international.html - it looks like you have an interesting bike there.

As far as value, you could put it on Ebay with a high enough reserve to cover what you feel you want for it.

All else fails you can just ship it my way, and I'll give her a good home

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Old 03-07-05, 03:28 PM   #3
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I've seen one that was in very nice shape recently go for over $500.00 on e-bay.
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They're a great ride, and a '70s "classic"! They'll always be a popular bike. Build quality varies from decent to...(well, let's not go there), but as long as everything got brazed (not all areas did on all bikes...), and it's still together, it's probably wonderful ride. Yes; much interest in them, as they were Raleigh's #2 offering when they came out (behind the Professional), and dropped to #3 when the Team Professional came out. Not really fair to rate them in the lineup though, as they used a more traditional sport-touring geometry than the full race Professional (and have a more comfortable ride), so were intended for a slightly different market. They did however, also use full Campagnolo Record (less brakes) parts like the Pro models. One of my favorite daily riders right now, is a copper colored '74 International.
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Old 03-07-05, 05:53 PM   #5
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Make that a 22 1/2 frame and i would love to have it!
Really though... try "craiglist.org" or eBay. It should fetch $500 or more depending on completelness and condition.
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Make that a 22 1/2 frame and i would love to have it!
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I currently have a nearly mint 74 International/copper color. I have owned and sold several of these over the last few years. Here's my 2.5 cents worth:

1) A 62cm frame size detracts from the value. Sizes 54cm-58cm are more easily sold for high prices because they fit more people.
2) Condition of frame will impact the sale price. You will need to make an honest appraisal. A 10 would be mint new old stock never ridden. A 7 would have normal riding wear and tear. A 5 would have normal wear and tear with some damage to most of the decals (peeled/faded/cracked decals, etc). A 6 may have a little surface rust on chrome that comes off if buffed out with some work. Any dents or frame problems make it a 5 or less.

OK - here's the prices I have seen recently on ebay:

1) Nearly mint/seldom ridden 1974 model in condition 9 sold for $700.
2) Excellent condition 7 did not sell for a $499 minimum
3) Several 6-7's sold in the $350 range that were pre-1976 vintage.
4) Several less than condition 6 did not sell for $300-$399 minimums.

I guess in general I have seen very good examples of 8+ honestly appraised and described generate a lot of bidding interest but anything around 7 or 8 condition was hard to get $500 for - looks like most buyers want an excellent example on this rather common bike, and are not interested in mediocre examples unless they can get a real bargain. If the bike itself is more rare/hard to find (older models/pre-1975 of the International) it can usually be sold if condition 5-7 if you are willing to take less than $400, but a newer model (newer than 1975) may be hard to get more than $400 for it unless it's pristine.

They are nice bikes - one of my favorites. If yours is pre-1980 (the older the better) and in condition 7 or better I would think you could get at least $350 for it and - depending on your luck - may fetch over $500 or even more. If it's pre-1980 and pristine I would not take less than $700 for it. If it's newer or in less than 7 condition you may not get more than $250.
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Oh - and those prices are for popular sizes. For a large frame like a 62 I would deduct up to 25%.
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Slims, how certain are you that it's a 24 1/2"? Based on the head tube, I'd suspect its a 22 1/2" or 23 1/2". Are you measuring center of crank to center of top tube along the seat tube?
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"For a large frame like a 62 I would deduct up to 25%."

I like this math.
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A mint '74 International just sold for $450. It looked to be a condition 8 (or better) but it had some funky parts on it - not all original. In fact a long way from original. For the $450 you could probably buy the Campy parts needed to make it original and other parts needed (seat/etc.) and be $800-$1K into having a nearly mint example, if indeed the frame was as described.
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A copper Raleigh International is at the top of my list of bikes I'd like to have. To me, it's more desireable than the Raleigh Pro because it has those chrome lugs and touring frame geometry.

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A copper Raleigh International is at the top of my list of bikes I'd like to have. To me, it's more desireable than the Raleigh Pro because it has those chrome lugs and touring frame geometry.

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What size are you wanting? I've got a pretty 22-1/2" I was thinking of selling - I ride my 21-1/2". PM me if interested - I'm in SoCal.
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My first really good bike was a 24 1/2" Champagne International. I bought it new in 1973 and used it on long tours, my buddy and I were probably the first to ride the newly opened Baja hwy in 1974, 1200 miles to Cabo. That International was a great ride, very comfortable and the gearing was perfect for me. I changed the brakes for Shimano Dura Ace but only because I thought they looked cool, the Weinmans worked fine.

The bike was stolen from me in 1984, (say your bike looks very familar, just kidding), so I finally built up the dave moulton frame I had been saving for a decade. BTW, check out my moulton on Dave's site (prodigalson.com), page 8, he says its the oldest moulton in the US.

Anyway I always missed that old International, and Champagne is my favorite color.
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I stumbled upon this forum while searching for a Raleigh International pre-75 to purchase. Does anyone have any leads on a near mint 53-54" international. The information in this forum is extremely helpful in looking for the right one for the right price. A friend of mine has one that is a touch too large for me, but man I love the ride and it's such a beauty! Thanks. Misty (Seattle)
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1) A 62cm frame size detracts from the value. Sizes 54cm-58cm are more easily sold for high prices because they fit more people.

As a purveyor of large framed bikes, I’m not sure I agree with this logic. On behalf of the freakishly tall, I can tell you that the bigger frame is much rarer. And the potential buyers, while large in stature and small in number, are more desperate. The result is balanced, if not higher, pricing. Although, it could be that I'm just cheap.

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Raleigh International

Hi, Just joined the forum and saw your post from March '05 re: your International. I am looking for a 24" or 24.5" International, so if you still have yours let me know. Thanks!

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"For a large frame like a 62 I would deduct up to 25%."

I like this math.
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After seeing a few of these fixed lately I have been starting to want a 62cm copper example to put my track hubs on.
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After seeing a few of these fixed lately I have been starting to want a 62cm copper example to put my track hubs on.
How Sheldon Brown.

I keep mine for kiddie trailer pulling, long rear end allows mounting of the trailer and lots of heel room.
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Were do you live?
I don't know why I ask since even close to $500 is too rich for me.
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I just sold my chrome '72 International FRAME on eBay for $520... it was a 24-inch.
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You guys are making me jealous.
I've been searching and searching for a 21" framed international for months.
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I recently sold my 24" International frame on Ebay for $370. It was the champagne color and in very nice shape. It was a comfortable ride, but something had to go to make room for my Paramount. I chose to keep my Professional over the International as the Pro seemed to fit me better.
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A 21" International will be a problem. They came 20.5", 21.5", 22.5", 23.5", 24.5".

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I have a slightly rough 1971, 21", I would sell, or trade the frame for something similar in 22.5".
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