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Is a 4 speed (french) freewheel compatible with a 5 speed (french) freewheel?

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Is a 4 speed (french) freewheel compatible with a 5 speed (french) freewheel?

The available selection of 5 speed French thread freewheels is so much better than 4 speeds. Is the spacing compatible? I am assuming that 4 speed and 5 speed French threads are compatible. Much like 5 and 6 speed English and Italian freewheels are compatible.

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5 speed is 5mm wider than the 4 speed. Threads are the same. I steal cogs from 5 speeds and put them on a 4 speed body.
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At risk of hijacking this thread....do 3 speed ones play the same?
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No. They are a different beast all together. Same spacing as a 4 speed but completely different bodies.
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HA! I was just thinking the other day, while sorting and organizing bike bits, how skinny a 5 speed freewheel was, but so also much more elegant and lighter than the old 2-speed Bendix Kickback hub (HEAVY BEAST!!!) on the shelf next to it was...
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Originally Posted by iab
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At risk of hijacking this thread....do 3 speed ones play the same?
No. They are a different beast all together. Same spacing as a 4 speed but completely different bodies.
Is it that simple? A lot of English 3 speed freewheels are made for 1/8" chains, while 4 speed freewheels are made for 3/32" chains. So they are the same width.
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Throw in the different threading potential of older hubs and you can have issues too, mixing Italian, British, French and ISO....they don't always play so nice together...
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Originally Posted by RubberLegs
Throw in the different threading potential of older hubs and you can have issues too, mixing Italian, British, French and ISO....they don't always play so nice together...
All true! And we note the thread was specifically about French gear, so my remarks about measurements in inches are not on-topic.

At any rate, I would not hesitate to try an old freewheel to see how it works, BUT FIRST I would make sure I have a puller. If you put a freewheel on a hub and can't get it off again, you're fubar.
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Indeed....ANY old bike bits...FORCING them together is NOT a good idea. So many are NOT MARKED, so determining just what they are can be tricky. Holding up a BB Cup threads (which are usually marked) agains a freewheel hub threads is a good trick to figure them. I really should invest in some thread gauges to cut down on the guessing....mixing and matching nuts and bolts....same thing....working with old bits....between standard and metric....
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Originally Posted by rhm
Is it that simple? A lot of English 3 speed freewheels are made for 1/8" chains, while 4 speed freewheels are made for 3/32" chains. So they are the same width.
Yes. That is what I wrote.

But there are newer 3 speed hubs built for a 3/32 chain. It gets messy very quickly.
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The 4 speed hub on my '57 Peugeot is 3/32... it is an Italian built Simplex.
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Originally Posted by Oldairhead
The available selection of 5 speed French thread freewheels is so much better than 4 speeds. Is the spacing compatible? I am assuming that 4 speed and 5 speed French threads are compatible. Much like 5 and 6 speed English and Italian freewheels are compatible.

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When I received my 1957 Peugeot it was rocking an incorrect 5 speed freewheel and my friend had the NOS 4 speed in his box of orphan parts for me.
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