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    Gents Sunbeam ID

    Hi,

    Could you help me identifu the Sunbeam.

    The rear hub is a Stumey Archer form 1960, but I think the bike is older.

    The brakes are realy speacial and could help to know the age.

    The serail number its:
    0.545.1
    98511

    The top of front mudgard is diferent from the "usual" rounded ones.

    Here are some bad pictures

    2.jpg3.jpg4.jpgbrakes.jpgframe-tube.jpgserial-number.jpg

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    I agree, it's older than 1960, but I don't know anything specific about Sunbeams. What are the brakes, Resilion Cantilevers? That suggests a date in the 40's.

    Can we have a photo of the Sturmey Archer trigger shifter, please? That might help narrow the date.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rhm View Post
    I agree, it's older than 1960, but I don't know anything specific about Sunbeams. What are the brakes, Resilion Cantilevers? That suggests a date in the 40's.

    Can we have a photo of the Sturmey Archer trigger shifter, please? That might help narrow the date.
    I don't have the trigger photo, but should have the same age as the rear hub. Its made of metal, 3 speed and has red pain in it.

    I bellive the bike should be from 1936/37.... I only find this brakes on the 30's catalogues.

    The breaks are like this (this image its not mine):
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    Quote Originally Posted by Paulo Fonseca View Post
    I don't have the trigger photo, but should have the same age as the rear hub. Its made of metal, 3 speed and has red pain in it.
    Possibly! But not necessarily. If your 1960 wheel replaced an earlier one with a Sturmey Archer hub, they may have left the original shifter. I don't know. That's why we would want a photo.

    Take a look at this article: http://genetics.mgh.harvard.edu/hanc...satriggers.pdf

    I don't know those brakes. Very interesting!

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    I'd look for a shadow on the top tube left from a quadrant shifter. Looks to me as if the hub & shifter are replacements; the turned down Northroad bars make me think a young man & parts box maybe a part of this bikes history.

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    I bought this bike for my uncle, who introduced me in this magnificent world of vintage bicycles. As soon as he has clean' it I will go take some pictures.

    The frame number patern looks like the 1936, 1937
    sunbeam_dates_frame_numbers.jpg

    The frame decal has 4 words, something like: Sunbeam Royal Light .... (but I'm not sure)

    I'm not sure if the hand bar is original or its inverted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Velognome View Post
    I'd look for a shadow on the top tube left from a quadrant shifter. Looks to me as if the hub & shifter are replacements; the turned down Northroad bars make me think a young man & parts box maybe a part of this bikes history.
    Possibly! But remember, the Northroad bar was designed to be used this way rather than turned up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rhm View Post
    Possibly! But remember, the Northroad bar was designed to be used this way rather than turned up.
    Are you saying that could be the correct position of the hand bar?

    On the 1936 catalogue they are all turned up. Here we find bikes with the brakes like "mine", but the front mudgards are diferent

    http://www.historywebsite.co.uk/Muse.../catalogue.htm

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    It would appear that this is what you have:



    The 'Northroad' bar was originally used in the dropped position you have on your bike, but became the classic 'upright' bar at some point. You can use it in either position; that's the fun of it.

    Your bike has been modified over the years, which is not surprising given its age.

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    ^ You nailed it, the flipped Northroad comment was deductive reasoning...rack and chaincase together smelled like city bike rather than sport bike.

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    frame number 166589 can anyone help me with dating this?

    I'm also looking at selling it and will have photos up soon

    Thanks

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    Paulo - the brake looks like a Monitor Super Cam:



    I can't help you with respect to the bike/age/model.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rhm View Post
    Possibly! But remember, the Northroad bar was designed to be used this way rather than turned up.
    Really?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grand Bois View Post
    Really?
    Yes, really. I'd insert a reference here, but I'm on my phone and internet connectivity is pretty slim and awesomely slow, so you're on your own.

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