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    Looking at a Raleigh super course

    I'm looking at a 70's Raleigh super course at a local flea market for $60. Just wanted to make sure it's worth that. (Im not looking for one of those 'what's the value of this bike" answers, since I understand it's all relative.) I guess I'm looking for more information on the bike, more than a value-type thing. The front badge says Raleigh / Nottingham England but I know they were produced elsewhere at this time. It was I believe Renolds 531 tubing, a dark green color with the groovy chrome chainstays and fork ends. I didn't see any mention of being doublebuttedness. It had a simplex deraileur, but I didnt catch which model. I think I'm gonna go back this Friday when he's open again and see if i can get him down to $40 or 45. (He hinted that he'll take $50 for it - but i can't resist the temptation to haggle sometimes. lol) All in all I liked it, but I wanted to find some more info first. One thing that I was wondering about was the wheel rims. They had these little dimples all around the walls - and I wasn't sure if they were aluminum or steel. (He wasn't sure if they were the original wheels or not.)

    I found this site via SheldonBrown (http://www.retroraleighs.com/super-course.html) but thought someone might have something to add.

    I should have took some pics with my phone, but didn't think about it!

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    For $45 -$50 you can’t go wrong unless the frame is bent or broken… even then the components might make the investment worthwhile. The dimples on the rims would indicate that they are steel. I'm pretty sure the SCs of the 70s came with alloy wheelsets. My guess is someone harvested or trashed the original wheels and replaced them with steel. Is the crank cottered? The real question is… does it fit you??? If so, I’d snag it now before it gets away.
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    "The real question is… does it fit you??? If so, I’d snag it now before it gets away."

    Agreed. The part about frame condition is true as well. 50$ is fair for an old 531 frame.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nolageek
    I'm looking at a 70's Raleigh super course at a local flea market for $60. Just wanted to make sure it's worth that. (Im not looking for one of those 'what's the value of this bike" answers, since I understand it's all relative.) I guess I'm looking for more information on the bike, more than a value-type thing. The front badge says Raleigh / Nottingham England but I know they were produced elsewhere at this time. It was I believe Renolds 531 tubing, a dark green color with the groovy chrome chainstays and fork ends. I didn't see any mention of being doublebuttedness. It had a simplex deraileur, but I didnt catch which model. I think I'm gonna go back this Friday when he's open again and see if i can get him down to $40 or 45. (He hinted that he'll take $50 for it - but i can't resist the temptation to haggle sometimes. lol) All in all I liked it, but I wanted to find some more info first. One thing that I was wondering about was the wheel rims. They had these little dimples all around the walls - and I wasn't sure if they were aluminum or steel. (He wasn't sure if they were the original wheels or not.)

    I found this site via SheldonBrown (http://www.retroraleighs.com/super-course.html) but thought someone might have something to add.

    I should have took some pics with my phone, but didn't think about it!

    Thanks in advance!
    One of my favorites. I bet its a lot like the one here. http://bulgier.net/pics/bike/Catalog...73-Catalog.pdf The tubing on this model was never double-butted, but even presuming there were differences between the 1973 model here, and the 1977/78 model that I prefer, it is a nice riding bicycle. Are there better? Yes. But for the price, one of the better riders you'll find.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Noah Scape
    For $45 -$50 you can’t go wrong unless the frame is bent or broken… even then the components might make the investment worthwhile. The dimples on the rims would indicate that they are steel. I'm pretty sure the SCs of the 70s came with alloy wheelsets. My guess is someone harvested or trashed the original wheels and replaced them with steel. Is the crank cottered? The real question is… does it fit you??? If so, I’d snag it now before it gets away.
    I didn't notice if the crank was cottered. It fit me perfectly. I'm gonna pick it up I think. I dont get paid till friday (but he wont be open until next saturday!)
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    If the crank is cottered, it's a cheap replacement. Cottered cranks were never original equipment on the SC.
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    I had a pair of Mavic Module E rims with dimples back in
    the late 70's. I think the idea behind the dimples was that
    they provided better braking when wet.
    If thats what you have they are alloy rims, I don't recall any
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    Quote Originally Posted by USAZorro
    If the crank is cottered, it's a cheap replacement. Cottered cranks were never original equipment on the SC.
    Just follow your own link... http://bulgier.net/pics/bike/Catalo.../73-Catalog.pdf The '73 had cottered cranks.

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    I do remember a big bolt sticking out the side of the chainwheel. I dont mean out the crank arm like a cotterpin, but out the chainwheel.

    Did the pre-73's come with cotters, or was the 73 an anomoly?
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    Quote Originally Posted by nolageek
    Did the pre-73's come with cotters, or was the 73 an anomoly?
    Someone can check this... but I think they were cottered until mid-70s.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lotek
    I had a pair of Mavic Module E rims with dimples back in
    the late 70's. I think the idea behind the dimples was that
    they provided better braking when wet.
    If thats what you have they are alloy rims, I don't recall any
    steel dimpled rims

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    My recollection is just the opposite. I've seen hundreds of steel Rigida rims from the 70s with dimples. (Not so say dimples don't exist on an alloy version, I just don't remember seeing them.) Aluminum rims provide a better braking surface than chrome-plated steel rims, hence the textured (dimpled) surface.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lotek
    I don't recall any
    steel dimpled rims

    Marty
    My sister-in-law's Raleigh Sport had dimpled steel rims. It didn't leave Nottingham that way, but all she had to do was leave the bike out in the weather for about 25 years.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Noah Scape
    Just follow your own link... http://bulgier.net/pics/bike/Catalo.../73-Catalog.pdf The '73 had cottered cranks.

    Not real clear to see, but yep - it is cottered. My error.

    Yet another reason why the 1977/78 version is better.
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    Quote Originally Posted by USAZorro
    Yet another reason why the 1977/78 version is better.
    I'm partial to the contrasting colors for the head and seat tube... is that 1977/78. I also liked the fact that they came in a 65cm frame.

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    No. '77/'78 you had your choice of red or gold. No chrome anywhere except on the dropouts. What made them better (IMO of course), are that they weighed a couple pounds less, had bar-cons , Sun Tour Cyclone rear derailleur, and the thin Weinmann concave rims (A-124 I believe) with 90 psi tires (minimal rolling resistance). The Zefal pump was good for keeping pursuing dogs at bay too.
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    When I bought it for $9.95 at a local thrift store, my 71 SC had a Stronglight chrome plated, steel, cottered, crankset and Weinmann alloy rims. The paint was in terrible shape but the Nervex lugs hooked me & I eventually ended up spending about $350 for a repaint & an all NOS early Shimano 600 group & hubs with araya alloy rims. Not one of my lightest bikes but it still looks & rides great. Mine was copper colored, the LBS owner's son has a green one like you describe & still rides it. Don
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    Well, I ended up getting it on Saturday. It's green, with shimano hubs & non name rims (alum. afterall) and I really love it. The wheels both need a good truing - I'll try to do that during the week - I hope I don't screw it up worse than it already is. :/

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    Also, re: the pdf link USAZorro sent - it looks to be older than the '73 pictured, judging from the thin script that "raleigh" is written in, instead of the bolder RALEIGH that is in the photo. Anyone know when they would have switched lettering styles?

    I'll have pics up tonight, if I can.

    added after:
    I also notice that mine has the ... doubled brakes that go up to the flats of the drops. Not sure what you call them. None of them in the catalogs have them. Aftermarket? Option?
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    Suicide levers.

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    Yay for suicide levers!
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    I've seen '73 models with both types of lettering. My '72 had script, as did the '73 replacement frame I was given. The bronze green shade had slightly changed between those two years. By '74, block lettering had taken over.

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    anything I can look for to date it further? I can take pics, but i can't get them off my phone until tomorrow.

    so it's pre '74, maybe pre '73. Anyone know if the Supercourse offered the suicide levers?

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    If you have a serial number, we have the means to provide you the date. Look on the bottom of the bottom bracket. If not there, look on the top of the seat post. You may have to do some cleaning before it is visible.
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    Did it have a cottered crank???

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    yep, cottered crank. I'll check the serial and report back.
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