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Vitus 979
Is it possible for my vitus 979 to have an Italian bottom bracket? Can I have a 7 speed ultegra with ergo shifters or do I need down tube shifters? Any help would be great.
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Pictures, pictures.....please..
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Vitus 979 frames were available in Italian, French and English threading.
Don't know about 7-speed Ultegra brifters/ergo shifters. Do you mean the 600 tri-color group? Not really certain, but it's my understanding that the shimano 600 (aka tri-color) group was renamed ultegra when it made the switch to 8-speed. Regardless, you should be able to use ultegra 8-speed with a 7-speed freewheel if you use the limit screws to block out one of the gears.
Don't know about 7-speed Ultegra brifters/ergo shifters. Do you mean the 600 tri-color group? Not really certain, but it's my understanding that the shimano 600 (aka tri-color) group was renamed ultegra when it made the switch to 8-speed. Regardless, you should be able to use ultegra 8-speed with a 7-speed freewheel if you use the limit screws to block out one of the gears.
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I always thought it was called Ultegra when it switched from the silver 600 EX SIS to the great dark grey color and the term "Tri Color" was applied as sort of nickname to separate it from EX.
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But I don't think shipmano ever called it tricolor that just became slang for referring to the dark grey with the tri color sticker rather than the older EX versions. I am not actually sure I ever heard the term tricolor back in the early '90s just when I started hanging with this crowd a few years back.
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The frame is designed for bare cable routing from the down tubes. There are adapters that will allow shifter housing to be routed to the down tubes, and the bare cables run as usual. At the time, tri bar bar-end shifters were routed this way. Unless there is something unusual about the Ultegra shifter, they should work on the frame with adapters.
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As noted, I think most, if not all 979's had 126mm rear spacing = 7 speeds will fit with a narrow (compact) spaced 7 speed FW and narrow chain....
I have a Vitus Carbone that shares most measurements with the 979 frames and I run a Maillard "Super Compact" 7 speed FW with a Narrow Sedis/Sachs chain on it and all fit and work really well.
I have a Vitus Carbone that shares most measurements with the 979 frames and I run a Maillard "Super Compact" 7 speed FW with a Narrow Sedis/Sachs chain on it and all fit and work really well.
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Shimano used the tri-color banner as corporate colors from the late '70's, I think:
https://www.sheldonbrown.com/shimano1982/pages/00a.html
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^ There was also 600 Ax. I think that came after 600 EX.
I distinctly remembering another version of 600, perhaps it was under the 62xx numbering, but it wasn't EX, which is Arabesque.
This 600 group came after EX, updated sidepulls with left-sided cable routing, black wheel guides. 600 RD, and a new crank with no Arabesque engraving. Bought items from this group to build my brother's bike in the mid 80s. And the RD went SIS, but kept the look of the friction version.
Addendum: just clicked the link to the catalog....600 Ax was listed as 63xx.
I distinctly remembering another version of 600, perhaps it was under the 62xx numbering, but it wasn't EX, which is Arabesque.
This 600 group came after EX, updated sidepulls with left-sided cable routing, black wheel guides. 600 RD, and a new crank with no Arabesque engraving. Bought items from this group to build my brother's bike in the mid 80s. And the RD went SIS, but kept the look of the friction version.
Addendum: just clicked the link to the catalog....600 Ax was listed as 63xx.
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At least that's what my fallible memory tells me. I used to own a Vitus that was English/ISO and I know most examples are English/ISO threading, but there were a great many Vitus frame built over the years. It's been my understanding that English, French and Italian threading were all options. English/ISO is certain, French is more than plausible, but Italian got me second-guessing myself...so off to the information superhighway...I found an old Vitus 979 brochure HERE at the equusbicycle.com website. If you click to page three [LINK], you will note that the bottom bracket is indeed offered in English, French and Italian threading.
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Nice detective work! The site showed another revelation....wasn't aware of a Lozenge tubed model...ovalized aero seat and down tubes!
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It went from "600EX" (62xx) to "600 Ultegra" (64xx) to "Ultegra" (65xx).
Shimano used the tri-color banner as corporate colors from the late '70's, I think:
https://www.sheldonbrown.com/shimano1982/pages/00a.html
Shimano used the tri-color banner as corporate colors from the late '70's, I think:
https://www.sheldonbrown.com/shimano1982/pages/00a.html
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But I don't think shipmano ever called it tricolor that just became slang for referring to the dark grey with the tri color sticker rather than the older EX versions. I am not actually sure I ever heard the term tricolor back in the early '90s just when I started hanging with this crowd a few years back.
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PS From an early thread I found that the colors represent Earth, Sky and Sea.
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^ There was also 600 Ax. I think that came after 600 EX.
I distinctly remembering another version of 600, perhaps it was under the 62xx numbering, but it wasn't EX, which is Arabesque.
This 600 group came after EX, updated sidepulls with left-sided cable routing, black wheel guides. 600 RD, and a new crank with no Arabesque engraving. Bought items from this group to build my brother's bike in the mid 80s. And the RD went SIS, but kept the look of the friction version.
Addendum: just clicked the link to the catalog....600 Ax was listed as 63xx.
I distinctly remembering another version of 600, perhaps it was under the 62xx numbering, but it wasn't EX, which is Arabesque.
This 600 group came after EX, updated sidepulls with left-sided cable routing, black wheel guides. 600 RD, and a new crank with no Arabesque engraving. Bought items from this group to build my brother's bike in the mid 80s. And the RD went SIS, but kept the look of the friction version.
Addendum: just clicked the link to the catalog....600 Ax was listed as 63xx.
(Apologies to everyone for the thread-jacking.)
Back in my days at Euro-Asia Imports, I'm pretty sure we had a couple French-threaded 979 framesets from bygone days. I bet they're still there.
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I found a vitus fork for my frame. Can I use a new threadless headset or do I have to use a threaded headset? The steerer tube has threads at the top but not crisp.
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The vitus fork I purchased was too short. I bought a carbon fiber fork to install. I got tired of waiting. Bottom bracket, crank, fork and headset will be installed by this weekend. I am thinking of installing an old Cinelli stem and handlebars instead of new type of stem and handlebars. I will attached pics this weekend.
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Yes, correct steerer tube length is critical when getting a replacement fork. Too short a steerer tube usually means a fail, while finding one with a little bit too long a steerer tube is still workable with spacers, as long as it's not way too long.
Anyeay, you might be happier with the more period correct C&V aesthetic results if you use the threaded headset and older style quill stem and bars.
Anyeay, you might be happier with the more period correct C&V aesthetic results if you use the threaded headset and older style quill stem and bars.
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Just jumping in in the 979 love. I just picked one up, it is pretty much an exact copy of the first true race bike I ever had, same color, same size. It is going to get the full Mavic treatment and then taken to Italy for the 2014 L'Eroica. This will be my third time, and it will be for speed this year.
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Just jumping in in the 979 love. I just picked one up, it is pretty much an exact copy of the first true race bike I ever had, same color, same size. It is going to get the full Mavic treatment and then taken to Italy for the 2014 L'Eroica. This will be my third time, and it will be for speed this year.
Please post pics when you have the bike ready!
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I inherited a Bridgestone Radac, which is pretty much a Vitus copy. I hardly ever ride it because it's a really weird fit for me, but I've had a 130mm hub in it for a little over 3 years. Nothing bad has happened yet but your comment is noted.
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I know the 979 is a very pliable frame, but I'll error on the side of caution. I've got two 126mm rear wheels ready to go, a third that needs some work, and am looking at picking up parts for a fourth and/or fifth read wheel. So I will be set for quite some time for the Vitus and my older Peugeot Ventoux (PH501).
And truth be told, I'm a compete gear head and I'm itching to build up a newer 130mm bike.
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