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Ravencyclist 01-28-14 09:40 PM

Vitus 979
 
Is it possible for my vitus 979 to have an Italian bottom bracket? Can I have a 7 speed ultegra with ergo shifters or do I need down tube shifters? Any help would be great.

Thanks,

Doug

WNG 01-29-14 02:36 AM

979s are English BB, are you sure your frame is a 979? Maybe it's an ALAN?

Chombi 01-29-14 03:09 AM

Pictures, pictures.....please..

gaucho777 01-29-14 03:16 AM

Vitus 979 frames were available in Italian, French and English threading.

Don't know about 7-speed Ultegra brifters/ergo shifters. Do you mean the 600 tri-color group? Not really certain, but it's my understanding that the shimano 600 (aka tri-color) group was renamed ultegra when it made the switch to 8-speed. Regardless, you should be able to use ultegra 8-speed with a 7-speed freewheel if you use the limit screws to block out one of the gears.

Bianchigirll 01-29-14 07:01 AM

I always thought it was called Ultegra when it switched from the silver 600 EX SIS to the great dark grey color and the term "Tri Color" was applied as sort of nickname to separate it from EX.

bradtx 01-29-14 07:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Bianchigirll (Post 16449462)
I always thought it was called Ultegra when it switched from the silver 600 EX SIS to the great dark grey color and the term "Tri Color" was applied as sort of nickname to separate it from EX.

I have two examples and the 64XX series is labeled 600 and the 65xx series labeled Ultegra. Advertising when the group was rebranded often included a reference to 600. Interesting is that Ultegra head sets were still marked with a 600 logo for a couple of years following the Ultegra debut. The tri color badge had a meaning to Shimano, but I forget exactly what it defined. I think two of the colors represented sky and sea.

Brad

Bianchigirll 01-29-14 07:42 AM

But I don't think shipmano ever called it tricolor that just became slang for referring to the dark grey with the tri color sticker rather than the older EX versions. I am not actually sure I ever heard the term tricolor back in the early '90s just when I started hanging with this crowd a few years back.

Angry_Monkey 01-29-14 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Ravencyclist (Post 16449015)
Is it possible for my vitus 979 to have an Italian bottom bracket? Can I have a 7 speed ultegra with ergo shifters or do I need down tube shifters? Any help would be great.

I have a 1988 979 with a 7 speed free wheel. So you can get a 7 speed mechanism for it, as long as you have a 126mm rear hub. You should not cold set or spring a 979 for a 130mm hub - the stresses on the rear triangle may not be healthy.
The frame is designed for bare cable routing from the down tubes. There are adapters that will allow shifter housing to be routed to the down tubes, and the bare cables run as usual. At the time, tri bar bar-end shifters were routed this way. Unless there is something unusual about the Ultegra shifter, they should work on the frame with adapters.
~Monkey~

Chombi 01-29-14 03:57 PM

As noted, I think most, if not all 979's had 126mm rear spacing = 7 speeds will fit with a narrow (compact) spaced 7 speed FW and narrow chain....
I have a Vitus Carbone that shares most measurements with the 979 frames and I run a Maillard "Super Compact" 7 speed FW with a Narrow Sedis/Sachs chain on it and all fit and work really well.

WNG 01-29-14 07:12 PM

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Originally Posted by gaucho777 (Post 16449322)
Vitus 979 frames were available in Italian, French and English threading.

Interesting. I wasn't aware.

Jeff Wills 01-29-14 11:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bianchigirll (Post 16449462)
I always thought it was called Ultegra when it switched from the silver 600 EX SIS to the great dark grey color and the term "Tri Color" was applied as sort of nickname to separate it from EX.

It went from "600EX" (62xx) to "600 Ultegra" (64xx) to "Ultegra" (65xx).

Shimano used the tri-color banner as corporate colors from the late '70's, I think:
http://www.sheldonbrown.com/shimano1982/pages/00a.html

http://www.sheldonbrown.com/shimano1982/images/00a.jpg

WNG 01-30-14 12:12 AM

^ There was also 600 Ax. I think that came after 600 EX.
I distinctly remembering another version of 600, perhaps it was under the 62xx numbering, but it wasn't EX, which is Arabesque.
This 600 group came after EX, updated sidepulls with left-sided cable routing, black wheel guides. 600 RD, and a new crank with no Arabesque engraving. Bought items from this group to build my brother's bike in the mid 80s. And the RD went SIS, but kept the look of the friction version.

Addendum: just clicked the link to the catalog....600 Ax was listed as 63xx.

gaucho777 01-30-14 12:39 AM

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Originally Posted by WNG (Post 16451584)
Interesting. I wasn't aware.

At least that's what my fallible memory tells me. I used to own a Vitus that was English/ISO and I know most examples are English/ISO threading, but there were a great many Vitus frame built over the years. It's been my understanding that English, French and Italian threading were all options. English/ISO is certain, French is more than plausible, but Italian got me second-guessing myself...so off to the information superhighway...I found an old Vitus 979 brochure HERE at the equusbicycle.com website. If you click to page three [LINK], you will note that the bottom bracket is indeed offered in English, French and Italian threading.

WNG 01-30-14 12:45 AM

Nice detective work! The site showed another revelation....wasn't aware of a Lozenge tubed model...ovalized aero seat and down tubes!

rpenmanparker 01-30-14 07:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Jeff Wills (Post 16452293)
It went from "600EX" (62xx) to "600 Ultegra" (64xx) to "Ultegra" (65xx).

Shimano used the tri-color banner as corporate colors from the late '70's, I think:
http://www.sheldonbrown.com/shimano1982/pages/00a.html

http://www.sheldonbrown.com/shimano1982/images/00a.jpg

Right the 64XX stuff was mixed, some Ultegra, some 600.

bradtx 01-30-14 08:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Bianchigirll (Post 16449516)
But I don't think shipmano ever called it tricolor that just became slang for referring to the dark grey with the tri color sticker rather than the older EX versions. I am not actually sure I ever heard the term tricolor back in the early '90s just when I started hanging with this crowd a few years back.

Yeah, Tricolor seems to be a nickname that started on one of the forums (RBR?) in the '90s.

Brad

PS From an early thread I found that the colors represent Earth, Sky and Sea.

Jeff Wills 01-30-14 07:02 PM

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Originally Posted by WNG (Post 16452354)
^ There was also 600 Ax. I think that came after 600 EX.
I distinctly remembering another version of 600, perhaps it was under the 62xx numbering, but it wasn't EX, which is Arabesque.
This 600 group came after EX, updated sidepulls with left-sided cable routing, black wheel guides. 600 RD, and a new crank with no Arabesque engraving. Bought items from this group to build my brother's bike in the mid 80s. And the RD went SIS, but kept the look of the friction version.

Addendum: just clicked the link to the catalog....600 Ax was listed as 63xx.

Yep. 600AX, 600EX, Dura-Ace AX, Dura-Ace EX all in one year. Can you imagine trying to keep all the spare parts straight? No wonder shops didn't want to stock Shimano then.

(Apologies to everyone for the thread-jacking.)

Back in my days at Euro-Asia Imports, I'm pretty sure we had a couple French-threaded 979 framesets from bygone days. I bet they're still there.

Ravencyclist 02-17-14 11:13 PM

I found a vitus fork for my frame. Can I use a new threadless headset or do I have to use a threaded headset? The steerer tube has threads at the top but not crisp.

Thanks

jyl 02-18-14 12:00 AM

Threaded.

Ravencyclist 03-03-14 08:53 PM

The vitus fork I purchased was too short. I bought a carbon fiber fork to install. I got tired of waiting. Bottom bracket, crank, fork and headset will be installed by this weekend. I am thinking of installing an old Cinelli stem and handlebars instead of new type of stem and handlebars. I will attached pics this weekend.

Doug

Chombi 03-03-14 09:02 PM

Yes, correct steerer tube length is critical when getting a replacement fork. Too short a steerer tube usually means a fail, while finding one with a little bit too long a steerer tube is still workable with spacers, as long as it's not way too long.
Anyeay, you might be happier with the more period correct C&V aesthetic results if you use the threaded headset and older style quill stem and bars.

Bikegeek1968 03-04-14 11:05 AM

Just jumping in in the 979 love. I just picked one up, it is pretty much an exact copy of the first true race bike I ever had, same color, same size. It is going to get the full Mavic treatment and then taken to Italy for the 2014 L'Eroica. This will be my third time, and it will be for speed this year.

Chombi 03-04-14 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Bikegeek1968 (Post 16547381)
Just jumping in in the 979 love. I just picked one up, it is pretty much an exact copy of the first true race bike I ever had, same color, same size. It is going to get the full Mavic treatment and then taken to Italy for the 2014 L'Eroica. This will be my third time, and it will be for speed this year.

:thumb::thumb::thumb:
Please post pics when you have the bike ready!

Eric S. 03-04-14 07:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Angry_Monkey (Post 16450927)
You should not cold set or spring a 979 for a 130mm hub - the stresses on the rear triangle may not be healthy.

I inherited a Bridgestone Radac, which is pretty much a Vitus copy. I hardly ever ride it because it's a really weird fit for me, but I've had a 130mm hub in it for a little over 3 years. Nothing bad has happened yet but your comment is noted.

Angry_Monkey 03-06-14 09:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Eric S. (Post 16548817)
I inherited a Bridgestone Radac, which is pretty much a Vitus copy. I hardly ever ride it because it's a really weird fit for me, but I've had a 130mm hub in it for a little over 3 years. Nothing bad has happened yet but your comment is noted.

I have read in several places that it is not recommended to spring the rear end of an aluminum frame that way. And probably just as many people that say it works just fine. 2mm stretch on each chain/seat stay doesn't seem like much. But I do tend to ride it hard when I get a chance to... we use to ranomly call out sprints to the next telephone pole and HAMMER it. Anything to break up the long stretches of New Jersey country side.

I know the 979 is a very pliable frame, but I'll error on the side of caution. I've got two 126mm rear wheels ready to go, a third that needs some work, and am looking at picking up parts for a fourth and/or fifth read wheel. So I will be set for quite some time for the Vitus and my older Peugeot Ventoux (PH501).

And truth be told, I'm a compete gear head and I'm itching to build up a newer 130mm bike.

-Monkey-


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