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    Bicycle Repair Man !!! Sixty Fiver's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by zukahn1 View Post
    Well I finished the Sekai 400. Decent 700c wheels, 8speed Sora shifters, with Deore DX Dr's and Mafac brakes. Rides pretty nice and shifts good.
    Too nice.


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    Quote Originally Posted by noglider View Post
    Sixty Fiver, what does that Twenty weigh?
    The stock weight of a 20 is around 32 pounds... I think Forrest is 28 pounds with all the touring gear and was 26 pounds nekkid with the lighter racing tyres, and lighter still when he was a fixed gear.

    The fork and rear triangle have been replaced and the stem I am using is steel and weighs a ton... a lighter stem and wheelset is in the works.

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    zukahn, I think you should win in at least some category. I'm impressed. It's funny to see modern drivetrain with MAFAC brakes, but it's all good stuff.
    You don't read my signature anyway, do you?

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    1970 Paramount P-15, 1985 Miyata Seven-Ten, 198? Univega Gran Touring, 1984 ROSS Signature 292S, 2004 Diamondback Response

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    Quote Originally Posted by noglider View Post
    zukahn, I think you should win in at least some category. I'm impressed. It's funny to see modern drivetrain with MAFAC brakes, but it's all good stuff.
    Actually there is a method reason for this the MAFAC brakes are long reach inexpensive and can be fully tuned adjusted to match the STI's and a set of long reach modern brakes that would work good with the STI's would set me back $40-50 completely destroying my budget.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sixty Fiver View Post
    Too nice.

    Well it is still basicaly a clunker at heart no name steel frame with claw hanger. Makes the occasioal clunk mystery noise and the 8speed STI's is really pushing it on this one had to fudge the chainline a bit to get everything to fit so it sticks a little on the 1 and 8 gears.

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    As the proponent of this spectacular challenge I have not been idle but living vicariously through some of you. That being said, the three purchased bicycles in the past few weeks have fit well below the budget even after refurbish but not my 6'2" frame.

    1. 1984-1986 Rocky Mountain Sherpa - Deerhead XT parts
    2. Mid 90s KHS Montana - LX drivetrain
    3. Early 90s Diamond Back Axis XT - Deore XT II

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    I finished building mine today and will test ride it tomorrow.
    I haven't got a clue how much it cost all together!

    The frame/fork, bottom bracket, crankset and stem and bars were 20 euros.
    The brakes, gear levers and pedals were 10 euros.

    I have used the gear levers on another bike and have set aside the stem and bars for later.
    Everything else on the bike i have added from my own stock which due to deals have been free or salvaged from old bikes.

    I have added AVA bars and stem, the bar tape is from the original bars with this bike.
    The wheels are Maillard 700 and i have fitted cheap simplex gears.
    The cables were given to me and the cable housings are from another bike.
    I've fitted an old Brooks with a tear from my bag of saddles.

    I've tried to use parts from around the 1960s which i believe this bike is 1959- 1962 due to the crankset.

    So does this bike pass or are the price of parts deemed over the price limit?

    Sorry for the bad photo! My camera isn't good at night and i couldn't stand back far enough to get the whole bike in.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Daveyates View Post

    So does this bike pass or are the price of parts deemed over the price limit?
    My take is that you should use the actual price of the stuff you bought, and then estimate a fair-market swap-meet price for the stuff you pulled out of your parts bin.

    Here's my accounting so far:
    Stuff I got for free:
    Original bike (frame, fork, brakes, front wheel, seatpost, front derailleur, crank, pedals, BB cups all as pulled from a dumpster)
    $0

    Pitted crank spindle, used cable housings, 2 used cables, used crank bearings (didn't go with the new ones I got) rusted, bent TY-20 RD. None of this is something anyone would actually pay for at a swap meet, so:
    $0

    Mostly-OK rear wheel with rusty spokes, rusty freewheel that spins OK now after a complete tear down, cleaning and lube.
    $5

    Generic SunTour stem shifters from Box-O-Crap game
    $5

    Ancient LeTour handle bars and brake levers with crudely done juvenile engravings on them ("Far Out" "Cool Bike" "Fast" "Fast")
    $8

    Cracked, falling apart plastic saddle:
    $0

    Undistinguished old used chain with two frozen links (had to shorten it anyway, so it worked out OK)
    $0

    Chewed up plastic bar end plugs from the junk box.
    $0

    Stuff I actually bought:
    Garage-sale old time cloth electrical tape for bartape (7 rolls for a dollar, I used 1/2 a roll):
    $.08

    Two cables:
    $4

    Super-nice Nitto Dirt drop stem I bought from a fellow C&Ver (my one extravagance):
    $20

    Yard sale rear rack, tires, tubes, bell (not on bike yet) package deal with some other items not used on bike:
    $20

    So I'm up to $62.08 doing everything just about as cheap as possible. I was going to stick with the original stem, but being rusty, the clamp on it bent in a funny way when I opened it up to get the bars in. Since I'm kind of a stand-up-and-mash guy on the hills (especially on bike that's over 32 lbs), I didn't want the thing breaking on me. My front teeth are worth more than $20, I think.

    I might actually see if I can gt a better crank spindle to fit this, which will add to the total. I have to run this one a hair loose, because the pitting makes it grind otherwise, and the little "tic-tic-tic-tic..." as it moves back and forth in the BB is driving me nuts.



    Anyway, I did 26 miles on it on Thursday. Nice day for riding, but this bike is just a chore to ride. Heavy and slow. I'll take it for some dirt roads soon; I think I might like it better there.
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    I am getting a little carried away, I'm afraid. I haven't finished my Atala yet, and I'm already busy with Clunker Project II: one of the folders I bought last week. Acquisition cost €12.50. I stripped it and added an old and rusty steel drop bar.

    To be honest: the ride was a major disappointment. The thing still weighs 14 kgs and is not very stiff. And at 30 kph the frame movement hits its eigenfrequency, and I can't keep my feet on the pedals.

    Clunker or not, it's gotta have gears!

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    Clunker challenge... buy the best you can find NEW for a $100. Noticed these ally Schwinn's at Target down to $175 but here's one 'pre-owned' technically new for $110. http://chicago.craigslist.org/nwc/bik/4358771105.html

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    Here is a better photo of the bike.



    It is pretty light too at 9.34 kilograms.



    And here is my test ride of the bike.


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    Quote Originally Posted by non-fixie View Post
    I am getting a little carried away, I'm afraid. I haven't finished my Atala yet, and I'm already busy with Clunker Project II: one of the folders I bought last week. Acquisition cost €12.50. I stripped it and added an old and rusty steel drop bar.

    To be honest: the ride was a major disappointment. The thing still weighs 14 kgs and is not very stiff. And at 30 kph the frame movement hits its eigenfrequency, and I can't keep my feet on the pedals.

    These low end folders have a terrible hinge assembly and are not made that well... my custom 20 will descend at ludicrous speeds and I can top out the gearing on the flats at 50 kmh and it is very stable because the hinge is so solid and secure.

    The rest of the frame is also rather stiff.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sixty Fiver View Post
    These low end folders have a terrible hinge assembly and are not made that well... my custom 20 will descend at ludicrous speeds and I can top out the gearing on the flats at 50 kmh and it is very stable because the hinge is so solid and secure.

    The rest of the frame is also rather stiff.
    In this case the hinge feels pretty solid (if only because of the rust); I think it's the flexing of the frame itself, combined with wheels that may not be perfectly balanced.

    Anyway, I have the other one to try next. At 11.5 kgs (as pictured) it weighs a fair bit less. It does present some different challenges, however. It has a fairly small 40T chain ring, but there's not much room for taller gearing by enlarging that, as the chain stay will then interfere with the chain. And I need a taller stem if I'm going to mount drops.



    Also, there's not really a brake bridge for mounting a rear caliper brake, and the 438 mm rims are just out of reach of a front brake caliper that could be mounted. So I'm currently looking for a cheap 22" wheelset with a 3-speed coaster hub in the rear wheel.



    Clunker or not, it's gotta have gears!

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    Quote Originally Posted by non-fixie View Post
    I am getting a little carried away, I'm afraid. I haven't finished my Atala yet, and I'm already busy with Clunker Project II: one of the folders I bought last week. Acquisition cost €12.50. I stripped it and added an old and rusty steel drop bar.

    To be honest: the ride was a major disappointment. The thing still weighs 14 kgs and is not very stiff. And at 30 kph the frame movement hits its eigenfrequency, and I can't keep my feet on the pedals.

    Well the local coop has a couple of those mono frame folders in there junk pile they always looked a little scary to me. More of a novelty bike than a rider but great job on building it up and going for something interesrting different. What I have liked about all of these clunker bikes is that for the most part they are interesting different keeping the budget down really brings out the creativity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zukahn1 View Post
    Well the local coop has a couple of those mono frame folders in there junk pile they always looked a little scary to me. More of a novelty bike than a rider but great job on building it up and going for something interesrting different. What I have liked about all of these clunker bikes is that for the most part they are interesting different keeping the budget down really brings out the creativity.
    From what I've read here and elsewhere most folders are junk and scary to ride at any speed. But if you've got the right one, it can be a lot of fun and a special experience. The ones that are known to be good, such as Bromptons and high-end Dahons command hefty prices in any condition. I am hoping that there are also some unknown gems out there. This one's clearly not one of them.
    Clunker or not, it's gotta have gears!

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    I love this thread! I could swear I read that one of the "rules" said you have to leave it unlocked at a Starbucks overnight and it wouldn't get stolen, but I've reread from page 1-5 and don't see that anywhere. Am I imagining?

    Love all the bikes and creativity so far, however my vote so far goes for Lascauxcaveman - wonderful "cleanup" on this bike and I'm giving you extra points for living in the great Pacific NW!

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    I'm giving you extra points for living in the great Pacific NW!

    +1

    I actually grew up surfing on the Oregon Coast, when I see pics of the Northwest Coast it breaks my heart, being landlocked here in Co. right now. The water looks beautiful in Lascauxcaveman's pics. Surfing used to be my big thing. Now, since there is no water, it's become bikes. Maybe when I get back to the water I will find a balance between the two hobbies. I'll be back to the beach before long.

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    Quote Originally Posted by non-fixie View Post
    From what I've read here and elsewhere most folders are junk and scary to ride at any speed. But if you've got the right one, it can be a lot of fun and a special experience. The ones that are known to be good, such as Bromptons and high-end Dahons command hefty prices in any condition. I am hoping that there are also some unknown gems out there. This one's clearly not one of them.
    non-fixie: I have faith in your project. Can you scavenge any derailleur / rear 20" wheel with a cluster?

    Here's another folder I found at a pawn shop for pittance. Again... non qualifier as I purchased it a few years back. Was near new and looked as if it was never ridden. Came without air in the rubber so I even had a better deal... don't they all?!. I later discovered the rear frame was tweaked. Took a few minutes with a frame straightener and a tune. Love this thing. Unknown brand with a German national paint scheme, metal fenders, low line Shimmyano schtuff.

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    I regretfully resign from the challenge.
    I rode my new (to me) Kona Kapu last Saturday during the brief break in the winter weather.
    There is no way I am giving up saddle time on that bike for a while. Same feeling when I met my wife - I immediately broke ties and dates with the other ladies I was dating after the first date with my now wife.

    http://s34.photobucket.com/user/jjam...?sort=3&page=1
    I added a tri-color crank to match the components, and really nice, more modern bars to the bike in the photos.
    Let's just say, it fits perfectly and rides really, really well.

    The clunker is going to a co-worker today who is getting back into cycling.
    It will have a good home.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jjames1452 View Post
    I regretfully resign from the challenge.
    I rode my new (to me) Kona Kapu last Saturday during the brief break in the winter weather.
    There is no way I am giving up saddle time on that bike for a while. Same feeling when I met my wife - I immediately broke ties and dates with the other ladies I was dating after the first date with my now wife.

    http://s34.photobucket.com/user/jjam...?sort=3&page=1
    I added a tri-color crank to match the components, and really nice, more modern bars to the bike in the photos.
    Let's just say, it fits perfectly and rides really, really well.

    The clunker is going to a co-worker today who is getting back into cycling.
    It will have a good home.
    Haha, nice comparison. That Kona looks great too, very versatile.
    Pass the Dutchie on the non-drive side.
    Rather a 100$ bike with 1000$ wheels than a 1000$ bike with 100$ wheels.

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    I almost replied ........ But then I thought better of it and preserved my happy marriage.........

    i think

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    Quote Originally Posted by jjames1452 View Post
    I almost replied ........ But then I thought better of it and preserved my happy marriage.........

    i think
    haha whoops, on second reading that is a rather ambiguous sentence.

    Back OT:

    The hyperglide lockring on the rear wheel of my 10$ wonder is very stuck, anyone got a good method of loosening it? Tried WD40...
    Pass the Dutchie on the non-drive side.
    Rather a 100$ bike with 1000$ wheels than a 1000$ bike with 100$ wheels.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Italuminium View Post
    haha whoops, on second reading that is a rather ambiguous sentence.

    Back OT:

    The hyperglide lockring on the rear wheel of my 10$ wonder is very stuck, anyone got a good method of loosening it? Tried WD40...
    I've become a big fan of Liquid Wrench penetrating oil. If I suspect any part might be even remotely stuck I spray some liquid wrench around/on the area and let it sit for awhile and it seems to loosen things up enough pretty much every time. It's cheap at Walmart. I think its better than wd-40 but I could be wrong.
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    I'm up to 31 miles /50 km on the Peugeot. This time I remembered to take some pictures. Went to the local park. Still at $35 for bike, computer battery and an old tube. I plan to hit a swap meet this weekend and will try to find less rotted tires, and a safer stem. I already have a set of $5 tires, but this bike needs whitewalls or gumwalls.

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