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noglider 02-19-14 11:48 AM

oddjob2, I think you should be disqualified because you declunkified it.

Lascauxcaveman 02-19-14 12:27 PM

^^ I think you're right, Tom. Let me help out a bit here, by showing my echt-clunky choice of bars for dumpster Redline project:

These are from a first-gen (i think) LeTour that I bought from a highschool chum in 1979. i rode that bike for 3 years then it got smushed when I chose a poor parking spot for it one day. All the parts I could salvage went onto a Lambert frame which i still have and ride. The bars came off at some point, and in unwrapping them, I remembered my friend had done some personalization before passing the bike on to me:
http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/d...photo-35-1.jpg"Cool Bike"
And below that:
http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/d...photo-38-1.jpg"FAR"
http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/d...photo-37-1.jpg"OUT"

A decent set of bars, for those who like rando-bars? Yes. Decidedly clunky? Also yes.

Another parts update, the BB cups I pulled out of that Redline, once I washed away big gobs of greasy rust, came out almost perfect, and will be re-used. The spindle is a little pitted, but I think still usable (we'll see) the bearings were shot, so I went to the LBS for pair of new ones. My grand total is up to $5.96 right now. I might knock that back to zero if I can get some good donors out of some random frame I've got sitting around. But I did want spend at least a little money on this project.
http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/d...photo-36-1.jpg

frantik 02-19-14 12:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shoota (Post 16506898)
That's what I'm saying. I mean I got my '87 Trek 560 with full 105 for $75.

almost every bike in my collection was acquired for under $100 :) I just picked up a 90 Fuji with full 105 for $40 the other day. heck around here there's a volunteer-based shop that sells fully refurbished bikes for adults starting at $50. i could see if you're not someplace with a big supply of used bikes that you would need a bigger budget though.

Lascauxcaveman 02-19-14 12:53 PM

I think people may be fixating a bit too much on how often very nice bikes can be had for less than $100. I'm pretty sure that's entirely beside the point. I myself had some luck last summer and bought a 1986 Univega Nuovo Sport in quite literally showroom condition for $95.

Something like that doesn't belong on a thread like this because it's not a clunker. (Plus I didn't have to do anything to build it, it was already done.) I think the OP intended this thread to be about building a clunker with a $100 maximum budget.

rhm 02-19-14 12:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lascauxcaveman (Post 16509487)
I think people may be fixating a bit too much on how often very nice bikes can be had for less than $100. I'm pretty sure that's entirely beside the point. I myself had some luck last summer and bought a 1986 Univega Nuovo Sport in quite literally showroom condition for $95.

Something like that doesn't belong on a thread like this because it's not a clunker. (Plus I didn't have to do anything to build it, it was already done.) I think the OP intended this thread to be about building a clunker with a $100 maximum budget.

+1, yeah, that's what I'm saying, what he said.

Daveyates 02-19-14 01:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rhm (Post 16509497)
+1, yeah, that's what I'm saying, what he said.

+1, I've removed my entry and will submit something more clunkerish.

non-fixie 02-19-14 02:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Daveyates (Post 16509664)
+1, I've removed my entry and will submit something more clunkerish.

So what's the minimal level of clunkerishism that is needed to start out with / needs to be obtained as a result? I'm getting a little confused now.

trailmix 02-19-14 02:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by non-fixie (Post 16509774)
So what's the minimal level of clunkerishism that is needed to start out with / needs to be obtained as a result? I'm getting a little confused now.

I agree.

Lascauxcaveman 02-19-14 04:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Daveyates (Post 16509664)
+1, I've removed my entry and will submit something more clunkerish.

Hmm... I thought yours was a good entry. Sure it's a valuable frame, but in parts, faded paint, chrome stripping off, neglected for years under a tarp in some guys back yard? To my thinking, that's a clunker. A complete, shiny unridden garage queen that maybe needs new tires and squirt of WD-40 on the brake pivots?? That's not a clunker.


I guess it's time we had our big international dialog on clunkerhood.

Daveyates 02-19-14 04:43 PM

I'm confused as well and that's why i thought my bike wasn't suitable.
The bike i originally went to buy was 80 euros and in very nice condition and ready to ride.
So not really a clunker!
So i thought the frame i picked up was perfect but then had second thoughts about it because of the value.
Because is a constructeur built French frame with a very rare crankset really a clunker?

Maybe i don't understand what a clunker is. Isn't it a bike that looks like it couldn't ride down the road let alone 100 kilometers?
And value wise only worth like 30 dollars.

rhm 02-19-14 05:28 PM

I guess we should let Narhay explain. It's his party!

My own view of the challenge is to take a neglected and ( some might think) useless old dog of a bike, and teach it to hunt again, for under a hundred bucks.

We all know there are spectacular deals to be had, if you are lucky, or clever, or persistent (all of which are traits I admire very much). We all know it is possible to pick up a very fine, classic, and dare I say: collectable bike for a song. But that's not what this is about. This is about creating something useful on the cheap.

But as I say, it's not my party. That's just how I read it. OP?

non-fixie 02-19-14 05:33 PM

The way I saw it until now, there are two strategies that might be successful:

1. The Max Declunkification Strategy
Buy a cheap bike (the amount of clunkiness earns points, nice finds too) and build it into the nicest possible bike for no more than $100. Riding it for 100 km should be a piece of cake. Money spent and distance travelled between "before" and "after" are the deciding factors. Discussions to be expected about the "Fair Market Value" of the additions from the parts bin / junk pile.

2. The Ultimate Clunkiness Strategy
Buy a really horrible clunker and surprise everyone by actually riding it for 100 km. Money spent and perceived effort needed to ride it will be the deciding factors. Discussions to be expected about what ultimately defines a clunker and BB's that may have secretly been lubed or saddles that may have been actually horizontal while riding.

As far as I can see, Daveyates' entry is legit and could be successful in the first category.

Daveyates 02-19-14 06:05 PM

Another thing i'm confused about is putting the price on bits from the parts bin.
Usually i buy a bike cheaply as i need a certain part and then dismantle the bike and put all the bits aside to use later.
I don't know of any bike co ops around here to get very cheap pieces from.

So if i have a bike that i paid 30 euros for and use the wheels or derailleurs system for my bike then what would the price be for the bits i use?
Just part of the 30 euros or secondhand market prices? If the latter then i'm buggered in this challenge lol.

yellowbarber 02-19-14 06:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Narhay (Post 16491136)

Edit: although they are very nice, this game is not to show off your past finds. This is to find and build something new specifically for this purpose.

Dang. I picked up a mid 50s Raleigh Sports for $10
I even have plenty of the replacement bits I need, most of which I acquired for free or next to nothing so basically my only other expense would be tubes, tires and a chain.
But I picked it up about 6 weeks ago, so it doesn't count.
dang
we'll see what turns up in the trash as the snow begins to melt here

TB
NYC

browngw 02-19-14 07:44 PM

A suggestion to help with the evaluation of "fair market value".

When the bike is complete, if you put it up for sale, would you let it go for $100 or less?

If I'm back from vacation in Myrtle Beach in time, I'm thinking about using a Raleigh "Lenton":roflmao2:that's been littering my shed for a few months. I intended to use a part from it, and then place it in the garden for decoration. It cost me $0, exactly what it is worth!
http://www.bikeforums.net/attachment...3&d=1385145787
http://www.bikeforums.net/attachment...4&d=1385145790
http://www.bikeforums.net/attachment...6&d=1385145796

oddjob2 02-19-14 07:50 PM

If I ride a true clunker where I live, with a black hoodie, the gendarmes would stop & frisk!

jish1969 02-19-14 09:05 PM

1 Attachment(s)
With the new rubber,grips, and hyperglide FW I'm just about done and this bike doesnt feel so klunkerish anymore...$86 so far...

http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=365037

Narhay 02-19-14 09:39 PM

I meant don't use finds you found some time ago that you have already rehabbed. A bike you've had for a while in as-found condition is ok if you don't want to search for a new bike.

Quote:

Originally Posted by yellowbarber (Post 16510548)
Dang. I picked up a mid 50s Raleigh Sports for $10
I even have plenty of the replacement bits I need, most of which I acquired for free or next to nothing so basically my only other expense would be tubes, tires and a chain.
But I picked it up about 6 weeks ago, so it doesn't count.
dang
we'll see what turns up in the trash as the snow begins to melt here

TB
NYC


Narhay 02-19-14 09:46 PM

I may may have caused confusion with "clunker". It was using the extra c in the alliteration c&v clunker challenge. You are correct in the types of bikes to be used here. Any bike, be it a $15 colnago super or a $40 scrap pile find are welcome here. The idea is to use a fixed $100 budget to make the nicest (or for fun, the clunkiest) bike you can successfully build with your budget. Some may take this as a challenge to build a nice bike and some may want to have fun with the crappiest, clunkier bike they could possibly ride for 100km.

I dont want want this to get bogged down by rules. Just have fun and stay true to the original intent as best you can. $100 or less for a bike, 100km ridden and 100 days to do it.

Quote:

Originally Posted by non-fixie (Post 16510419)
The way I saw it until now, there are two strategies that might be successful:

1. The Max Declunkification Strategy
Buy a cheap bike (the amount of clunkiness earns points, nice finds too) and build it into the nicest possible bike for no more than $100. Riding it for 100 km should be a piece of cake. Money spent and distance travelled between "before" and "after" are the deciding factors. Discussions to be expected about the "Fair Market Value" of the additions from the parts bin / junk pile.

2. The Ultimate Clunkiness Strategy
Buy a really horrible clunker and surprise everyone by actually riding it for 100 km. Money spent and perceived effort needed to ride it will be the deciding factors. Discussions to be expected about what ultimately defines a clunker and BB's that may have secretly been lubed or saddles that may have been actually horizontal while riding.

As far as I can see, Daveyates' entry is legit and could be successful in the first category.


oddjob2 02-19-14 10:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by noglider (Post 16509257)
oddjob2, I think you should be disqualified because you declunkified it.

No bearings for you next December, just a lump of coal! :D

frantik 02-19-14 11:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Narhay (Post 16511049)
Just have fun

hey hey hey whoa now.. this is starting to sound too complicated! :thumb:

Narhay 02-19-14 11:21 PM

A Reading from the Book of Schwinn Varsity, Sprocket 4, Spokes 16 to 20:

Then did he raise on high the clunker, saying, "Bless this, O Lord, that with it thou mayst sit on thy ass hatchet, in thy mercy." And the people did rejoice and did feast their gaze upon the steel wheels and rust and stem shifters and dry rot and DUI bars and breakfast cereals ... Now did the Lord say, "First thou pullest the Bottom bracket. Then thou must count to three bearings. Three shall be the number of the counting and the number of the counting shall be three. Four shalt thou not count, neither shalt thou count two, excepting that thou then proceedeth to three. Five is right out. Once the number three, being the number of the counting of bearings, be reached, then rideth thou the Clunker in the direction of thine clunker competition, who, being cheap in my sight, shall envy it."

Narhay: Right. One... two... five.
Frantik: Three, sir.
Narhay: Three.

Quote:

Originally Posted by frantik (Post 16511194)
hey hey hey whoa now.. this is starting to sound too complicated! :thumb:


frantik 02-20-14 12:21 AM

a crazy white rabbit bit my tire!!

Lascauxcaveman 02-20-14 12:39 AM

Some call me .... Tim.

non-fixie 02-20-14 12:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Narhay (Post 16511049)
I may may have caused confusion with "clunker". It was using the extra c in the alliteration c&v clunker challenge. You are correct in the types of bikes to be used here. Any bike, be it a $15 colnago super or a $40 scrap pile find are welcome here. The idea is to use a fixed $100 budget to make the nicest (or for fun, the clunkiest) bike you can successfully build with your budget. Some may take this as a challenge to build a nice bike and some may want to have fun with the crappiest, clunkier bike they could possibly ride for 100km.

I dont want want this to get bogged down by rules. Just have fun and stay true to the original intent as best you can. $100 or less for a bike, 100km ridden and 100 days to do it.

Thanks for clearing that up. @Daveyates: get your *** back in here!


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