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Old 02-13-14, 11:02 AM   #1
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Anyone know of a heavy duty sidewall tan/skin/gum wall tire?

I have a pair of Panaracer PT 700x28c tan wall tires with not even 100 miles on them. I keep them at the 105psi which is what it says to run on the sidewall and already the sidewall is breaking down in 2 spots. I dont remember hitting any potholes, our streets are pretty nice. The sidewalls are clean, no sign of an impact. They even have the little feelers on the tread from the molding process still. The sidewalls are just super thin.
I want a tan wall for this vintage bike but I want one that will hold up to normal riding without breaking down. Any suggestions?
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Old 02-13-14, 12:30 PM   #2
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Heavy Kenda's. They look cheap, and are, but they hold up pretty well, wired beads.
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Don't confuse "tan" or "skin"-side tires with Gumwall tires.

Yours would seem to be "tan skin side" tires of relatively light weight, no?

Cheng-Shin makes tan-side gumwalls that handle all of my off-road riding over rocky terrain, even at modest 60psi, but I think these are offered in 27x1-1/4" but not 700c.

Michelin makes a wider tan gumwall, also in 27". It is much wider than the "same-sized" Cheng offering. I could run these at 50psi.

Specialized offered gumwall versions of their racing tires, perhaps labeled as Tri-Sport these days? I've seen 700c versions of these, not sure if still available in tan color though.
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The other thing is that im looking for high pressure. Over 100psi
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panaracer ruffy tuffy's work good for me
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panaracer ruffy tuffy's work good for me
Yeah, seriously I think that the OP needs a better-quality, ruggedized tire like Gatorskin or other sidewall-armored tire.

Putting 100psi on a 28mm tire would only seem to make sense for the larger rider imo, since a lighter rider at that pressure will wear only the center of the tread and experience a harsh ride with poor traction on even less-visible traces of gravel.
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I am 6'3" and 220. I have a 63cm frame. Not fat, just a big guy
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Look up the exact specs (TPI, etc.)for your model Panaracer tires and then use this online calc. (or download the app) from Vittoria:
http://www.vittoria.com/en/app/

You might be surprised to learn if over or underinflating. Try the suggested PSI but add 5 psi to the rear.
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At 220#, I would think that something over 100psi would be a minimum for a 28mm tire, but some 28's are fatter than others and a wider rim also reduces pressure requirement a bit.

No matter in this case if a rider is fit or fat, the tire pressure needs to rise proportionally to the load.

I do however see riders thinking their tires need much higher pressure than really makes sense, the reason for my original comment on pressure with these 28mm tires.

One good thing is that 28-32mm size range is popular with tandem riders, so some tough tires do exist in this size range.

I've used Schwalbe Marathons and Conti Gatorskins on tandems I've owned, and these did fine with fairly modest pressure (90-100psi) because they were 32mm width.
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The other thing is that im looking for high pressure. Over 100psi
Conti 4 seasons. High pressure, nice ride, no flats yet. Cornering is on these is not my favorite, but it hasn't been dry enough to go very fast in a long time.

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Conti 4 seasons. High pressure, nice ride, no flats yet. Cornering is on these is not my favorite, but it hasn't been dry enough to go very fast in a long time.

That Tempo sure is pretty in pink.
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Old 02-13-14, 05:26 PM   #12
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Another vote for the ruffy tuffy. I'm 250 and tall, keep front around 90 and rear 110 psi. Probably 1,000 commuting miles before the snow shut me down and they're holding up great so far.
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Another vote for the ruffy tuffy. I'm 250 and tall, keep front around 90 and rear 110 psi. Probably 1,000 commuting miles before the snow shut me down and they're holding up great so far.
Is the ruffy tuffy a wire bead?
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I am 6'3" and 220. I have a 63cm frame. Not fat, just a big guy
Look up the exact model of your tire. They don't have much for casing, which may or may not tell the entire story and although a relatively great value tire, you might need something better. When you sit (static) on the bike and the tire is at mfg. max. rec. PSI, do you see the tire bulging? Also, what is the rim width?
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Is the ruffy tuffy a wire bead?
Mine are Kevlar, bought from Niagara. Don't know if there is a wire bead option. You can read about them in Rivendell site. http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/t104.htm

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http://www.nashbar.com/bikes/Product...0052_566494_-1

I've been running the black sidewall version of that tire in 700 x 25. It's been holding up well to paved roads, gravel, hard packed dirt and light snow & ice.
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Check out this article about setting tire pressure according to tire size and load. Tire Drop
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I contacted Panaracer and they said to email them pictures. I sent the pictures over and they said it looked like a defect in the bonding process of the sidewall to the Kevlar bead in the sidewall. They are shipping me out a new tire at no charge for my troubles. Great customer service!
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For what it's worth, I've consistently had issues with paselas and I don't understand the basis for their reputation. They ride OK, but nothing special - and you don't get much protection. They look pretty in photos, but there are much nicer tires out there.
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I contacted Panaracer and they said to email them pictures. I sent the pictures over and they said it looked like a defect in the bonding process of the sidewall to the Kevlar bead in the sidewall. They are shipping me out a new tire at no charge for my troubles. Great customer service!
Thanks for this addendum, that is great news. Very refreshing to hear about a responsive and responsible vendor!

FWIW, I do have a recent set of 700x28c of Paselas (PT version, kevlar bead) running on my vintage Raleigh now. Only about 250 miles so far. I really like them. Running at much less pressure than yours, however, about 85psi seems pretty good to me, very smooth and compliant ride. The ride is much better than some new Vittoria Rubino Tech IIIs in 700x28c that I have on another rig. For one thing, the Paselas fill out to a full 28mm, whereas the Rubinos are noticeably skimpier, just a touch over 26mm.

In the end, tire choice is just as personal as saddle selection. Within the multi-dimensional matrix of tire attributes (compliance, durability, flat-protection, volume, comfort, cost, appearance, etc-etc), what suits one rider perfectly, another rider may find defective. So all one really has to go on is personal experience, anecdotes from other riders, and some luck of the draw.
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For what it's worth, I've consistently had issues with paselas and I don't understand the basis for their reputation. They ride OK, but nothing special - and you don't get much protection. They look pretty in photos, but there are much nicer tires out there.
What do you like better in the same price range?
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Pararacer ribmos, Continental Super Sports, Vittoria Randonneurs in roughly the same price range. My favorite tire of this type is easily the conti gp-4000, but they are a little pricier.
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Pararacer ribmos, Continental Super Sports, Vittoria Randonneurs in roughly the same price range. My favorite tire of this type is easily the conti gp-4000, but they are a little pricier.
Agreed on the Ribmo. Haven't seen a tanwall version though.

No special love for Paselas here either, but I know lots of riders like them.

Also, check out Specialized Fatboys.

I've read favorable reviews of those and they look great.

Not too spendy either. I'll find a pic later.

An elcheapo choice is the Resist Nomads, but I've only ridden the 700x 45s.

Finally, check out Soma C Line.

Also made by Panaracer, but they have been described as upgraded Paselas to me.
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GMG - I know I'm a heretic, but outside of looking pretty in pictures, I think the Ribmos role about the same and are FAR less troublesome and more durable. Sure - Paselas are pretty...but that only goes so far. At the end of the day, they don't roll well enough to justify the awful puncture resistance and durability (in my experience).

I'll throw another one out there - the Challenge Roubaixs are the most disappointed I've ever been with a tire...and it leads me to believe that many here value a tan sidewall more than functionality.
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GMG - I know I'm a heretic, but outside of looking pretty in pictures, I think the Ribmos role about the same and are FAR less troublesome and more durable. Sure - Paselas are pretty...but that only goes so far. At the end of the day, they don't roll well enough to justify the awful puncture resistance and durability (in my experience).

I'll throw another one out there - the Challenge Roubaixs are the most disappointed I've ever been with a tire...and it leads me to believe that many here value a tan sidewall more than functionality.
It really appears Challenge has got to get their act together as far as quality control goes. Imho

For some, they are real winners. For others, they are sorely disappointed.

Not a good business plan.
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