dddd, I have used a Nuovo Record derailleur with a 14-28 freewheel with good results. It depends on luck somewhat.
Where things go downhill is when trying 28t with even a 39-52t in front, suddenly it doesn't want to work any more.
That's where a sprung upper "B" pivot comes to the rescue, accommodating the extra chain take-up with ease.
Some say the Super Record mech gives a little more, can someone confirm?
It works rather well with a 42/54 and a 13-21 7 speed block on my Cooper... the Cyclone I used when I ran a 13-28 shifted many times better (and worked with a wider range) but the NR is solid and the build quality is rather outstanding.
The Prestige is a nice design as it shifts really well and could probably run circles around an NR for a fraction of the price but they are made of fromage... derailleurs have to be reliable.
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A quick comparison of a NR with a second-generation Super Record: the distance between the derailleur mount and cage pivot is about the same at 75mm more or less; the distance from the cage pivot to the tension roller pivot on the NR is about 35mm while the SR dimension is approximately 45mm; the distance from the cage pivot to the jockey roller is about the same on both at 25mm, and the relationship between these three pivots is a right triangle with the cage pivot at the apex. (All measures are approximate: the SR is on a bike hanging from the wall and I don't feel like lugging it down right now.) Clearly, the SR can wrap more chain. In my very limited experience, the SR does work noticeably better on wider-range freewheels, but it doesn't have much more capacity than the NR. Neither would be my first choice for a touring or MTB set-up, though on road bikes with 42/52 chain rings and 14-28 freewheels they both do fine.
-Quoth Sixty FiverIt is so sad that Simplex followed the marvelous 61, with the Prestige which essentially killed them.
Killed them? Not hardly. I suspect they sold more Prestige derailleurs than all their previous models combined. Unless you mean the Prestige killed off the earlier, better Simplex models.
You are right about the Prestige being pretty good when new. They wore out rapidly and were prone to breakage. The fronts were worse than the rears, but the rears weren't much good after a short time.
-Quoth RepechageCampagnolo wrung that basic design for all it was capable of at the end.
Interesting to contrast the Record family with the Valentino/Velox/Gran Turismo gizmos.
Kind of like Porsche: Record is to 911 as V/V/GT is to 914.
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I haven't seen anyone mention the Suntour Compe V front derailleur. IIRC In the late 70s, nothing even came close for touring bikes.
I have never had an issue with the reverse action Suntour stuff other than it doesn't match up work well without matching same era Suntour shifters. One of the best shifting vintage bikes I ever owned a 73/74 Nishki Competition had a VX paired with SL front and Racheting/retro fristion barends which where stock. For when it came out it was as good as it gets.
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These 1st-gen bushingless chains had issues with front shifting in quite a few cases, and with chain-skating on certain freewheels as well.
Most new bikes with backwards Suntour front derailers shifted promptly, at least as I recall, and still do, at least with newer chains such as HG70 and similar KMC chains. A couple of my bikes have Compe V's and they seem fine, even as I have to adjust to their direction in life.
This is where SRAM came from as they are a conglomerate of Huret, Sachs, and other European manafacturers that were failing.
The Prestige gets better when you replace the jockey wheels with Suntours which are nearly indestructible... having the jockey wheel crack / break on a Prestige was never a good thing... and I really like how well they shift which is something Simplex usually got right.
The JUY 543 on my 1957 Peugeot shifts like it is indexed although these were never under-rated... they were some top end kit and Campagnolo's new parallelogram derailleurs did not compare to these for some years.
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