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Yeah, doesn't look like it at all, but that first one, is it aluminum? That would be a normal high end lug style for an early aluminum frame. And that spade cutout is very much like one on some of the "fitted tube" colnagos. They apparently started getting mid range frames from asia by mid nineties.