||02-17-14 04:39 PM
Originally Posted by WNG
And I'll be one to say the same. And you probably do know more than me too. But this thread wasn't one to debate the merits/faults of offerings from that era.
Just our personal choices. I started off by stating the following:
Based on what I know now,
I would select the best performing component group.
Back in 86-88, it was C-Record I lusted after. And if it was a beauty contest, Miss C-Record, Miss Chorus, Miss Superbe Pro would be the top 3. Miss Dura-Ace would be 4th or 5th. But beauty is in the eye of the beholder. It's subjective.
My statement is also my opinion. I based it on my experience, feedback from others, and historical account. I stand by my opinion because the criteria I hold important is what I used to gauge the groups. I explained my choice with a why. Maybe you took that why as a personal criticism to your choices. It wasn't. I could comment on numerous posts with my opinions differing with others' choices here. But that's not the point of this thread.
You selected to respond with subjective importance to looks, and feel to criticize my choices as ugly and crap. I don't recall anyone else doing so in this thread to any other post. You only had to state you don't agree or ask how come I came to this opinion. But you seem to freely express your negative firestarting commentary, and then it's all fine since it's only an opinion.
Offensiveness is determined on the receiving end, not the giving end. Intended or not.
To end on a more light-hearted anecdote....
A childhood friend had a date with a pretty Korean girl when he was in NYU. They looked like they were hitting it off, until he made a comment that he was surprised in a pleasant way that she didn't smell Korean. He said she looked confused and asked for an explanation. He told her that the Koreans he's been around all had a strong odor of kimchi. Whether from their breath or body. But she didn't didn't have any smell. Needless to say, the date went off a cliff after that. And she didn't speak to him again. When I was told this, I slapped myself onto the forehead and was shocked by this. How could he have said this!! We kept arguing over his attitude. He kept at it that he meant nothing offensive by it, but was trying to pay her a compliment and she took it the wrong way. To this day, 30 years later, he can't admit to himself he did anything wrong. His success with the ladies haven't improved over the years either. :-P
This is my last post on the topic...it's not worth this level of annoyance (or any level of annoyance).
The opinion piece of your comment, "based on what I know" specifically referenced MTB vs road. The rest was stated as fact. You went on to say you would select the best performing group - one that "left all others for dead, Period." You stated c-record didn't measure up in any performance point. I disagreed in the same manner in which you made your post. Pot and kettle.
Your exact quote:
"I would select the best performing component group, Shimano Dura-Ace 74xx. It left everything else for dead, period. Next would be my sentimental favorite, best friction group: Suntour Superbe Pro: gorgeous precision. Although I love Campy C-Record's beauty, it just didn't measure up in any performance point and had annoying technical issues."
When you you throw out an extreme opinion (stated as fact no less) like you did...you invite critical responses. You received one. Your comment wasn't "I like DA best." The effect of your comment was DA is the best, the rest are crap and campy c-record was garbage. That approach invites response. You then made it personal in your second two responses. To which I say - hog wash. You were no more offended than I, just with less reason.
So if you wish to be offended, and want to give non-analogous anecedotes, you be my guest, but it's hypocritical and your assertions were no different from my response which caused such umbrage.
So no - DA did not leave everything else for dead as I see it and it's certainly not a fact. You see c-record as non-performing? Great. Much is and it's a long way from my favorite group...however it has some advantages. People did ditch campy - partly on price, largely on performance. I think deltas were actually fantastic brakes and the synchros wasn't a problem if you had c-record...which was friction. DA clearly had the better drive train, but I don't think it was better anywhere else (other than weight and cost). I REALLY hate those levers and I know I'm not the only one.
As far as knowing more or less - I don't much care. You certainly know a lot and I'm not in a contest with you. I respect your knowledge and views and enjoy your posts; I just happen to disagree with this one. My primary role here has been as a student and many here know far more than me.