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    Maybe a 3Rensho with Suntour Superbe.

    I rode my own frames (or team bikes) and never got particularly enamored of any production bikes, but the 3Renshos managed to catch my eye at the time.
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    "I would select the best performing component group, Shimano Dura-Ace 74xx. It left everything else for dead, period. "

    Good point WNG.

    None of the local amateur teams were using Campy by this time.

    Syncro was off to the trash cans and 7400 was on the podium more often than not.

    Shops had some pretty good deals on 7400 series at this point as well.

    Shimano simply ran the truck over Campy at this point and has never looked back.
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    In '86, I bought a 64 cm grey and pink '86 Nishiki International (the only one in my size), and it was a very nice bike that carried my Clyde weight for over 20 years before breaking. I really wanted a cannondale sr but they were more expensive, and the 63 cm felt quite a bit smaller than the nishiki. Over the past couple of years, I finally got my cannondale, two actually, and ST instead of SR. 27" frames that fit me well, but I wouldn't have considered a touring frame back in '86.

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    Lessee. I have the 1987 Serotta (w/Chorus) and my 1986 3Rensho (w/Dura Ace) still in the stable. I think I did OK. Might go back and snag one of the many loaded touring bikes from '83-'85 which seemed to linger on the show room floors until about 1987. I had a 1986 Bridgestone-build, Ishiwata-tubed Trek 310 which I would buy again in a heartbeat...incredible deal at the time.
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    I still ride my Schwinn Circuit. Liked it better than the Prologue. Boom!
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    Just because I don't have one in my stable, Centurion Ironman or a Schwinn Prologue... Good call on the title change, that was a little before.
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    86,87 and 88 i was still riding the quarter pipe on my hutch trickstar. this forum makes me feel young. thanks
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    Quote Originally Posted by WNG View Post
    And I'll be one to say the same. And you probably do know more than me too. But this thread wasn't one to debate the merits/faults of offerings from that era.
    Just our personal choices. I started off by stating the following:
    Based on what I know now,
    I would select the best performing component group.
    Back in 86-88, it was C-Record I lusted after. And if it was a beauty contest, Miss C-Record, Miss Chorus, Miss Superbe Pro would be the top 3. Miss Dura-Ace would be 4th or 5th. But beauty is in the eye of the beholder. It's subjective.

    My statement is also my opinion. I based it on my experience, feedback from others, and historical account. I stand by my opinion because the criteria I hold important is what I used to gauge the groups. I explained my choice with a why. Maybe you took that why as a personal criticism to your choices. It wasn't. I could comment on numerous posts with my opinions differing with others' choices here. But that's not the point of this thread.
    You selected to respond with subjective importance to looks, and feel to criticize my choices as ugly and crap. I don't recall anyone else doing so in this thread to any other post. You only had to state you don't agree or ask how come I came to this opinion. But you seem to freely express your negative firestarting commentary, and then it's all fine since it's only an opinion.

    Offensiveness is determined on the receiving end, not the giving end. Intended or not.

    To end on a more light-hearted anecdote....
    A childhood friend had a date with a pretty Korean girl when he was in NYU. They looked like they were hitting it off, until he made a comment that he was surprised in a pleasant way that she didn't smell Korean. He said she looked confused and asked for an explanation. He told her that the Koreans he's been around all had a strong odor of kimchi. Whether from their breath or body. But she didn't didn't have any smell. Needless to say, the date went off a cliff after that. And she didn't speak to him again. When I was told this, I slapped myself onto the forehead and was shocked by this. How could he have said this!! We kept arguing over his attitude. He kept at it that he meant nothing offensive by it, but was trying to pay her a compliment and she took it the wrong way. To this day, 30 years later, he can't admit to himself he did anything wrong. His success with the ladies haven't improved over the years either. :-P
    This is my last post on the topic...it's not worth this level of annoyance (or any level of annoyance).

    The opinion piece of your comment, "based on what I know" specifically referenced MTB vs road. The rest was stated as fact. You went on to say you would select the best performing group - one that "left all others for dead, Period." You stated c-record didn't measure up in any performance point. I disagreed in the same manner in which you made your post. Pot and kettle.

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    "I would select the best performing component group, Shimano Dura-Ace 74xx. It left everything else for dead, period. Next would be my sentimental favorite, best friction group: Suntour Superbe Pro: gorgeous precision. Although I love Campy C-Record's beauty, it just didn't measure up in any performance point and had annoying technical issues."

    When you you throw out an extreme opinion (stated as fact no less) like you did...you invite critical responses. You received one. Your comment wasn't "I like DA best." The effect of your comment was DA is the best, the rest are crap and campy c-record was garbage. That approach invites response. You then made it personal in your second two responses. To which I say - hog wash. You were no more offended than I, just with less reason.

    So if you wish to be offended, and want to give non-analogous anecedotes, you be my guest, but it's hypocritical and your assertions were no different from my response which caused such umbrage.

    So no - DA did not leave everything else for dead as I see it and it's certainly not a fact. You see c-record as non-performing? Great. Much is and it's a long way from my favorite group...however it has some advantages. People did ditch campy - partly on price, largely on performance. I think deltas were actually fantastic brakes and the synchros wasn't a problem if you had c-record...which was friction. DA clearly had the better drive train, but I don't think it was better anywhere else (other than weight and cost). I REALLY hate those levers and I know I'm not the only one.

    As far as knowing more or less - I don't much care. You certainly know a lot and I'm not in a contest with you. I respect your knowledge and views and enjoy your posts; I just happen to disagree with this one. My primary role here has been as a student and many here know far more than me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Badgerjohn View Post
    I still ride my Schwinn Circuit. Liked it better than the Prologue. Boom!
    AWWW snap, Pelotons, Prologues, and Circuits.. all epic.
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    New to biking! The weather is getting nicer and I am tired of taking the bus to work, even though it's only 15 minutes bus ride, I figure I would have more freedom riding a bicycle to work.

    Saw this on a local website and not sure if it's a good buy. I know nothing about bicycle other than the types of bike (road, mountain, hybrid, etc.).

    http://www.ksl.com/index.php?nid=218...arch=&ad_cid=9

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    PLEASE HELP!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by zs3889 View Post
    New to biking! The weather is getting nicer and I am tired of taking the bus to work, even though it's only 15 minutes bus ride, I figure I would have more freedom riding a bicycle to work.

    Saw this on a local website and not sure if it's a good buy. I know nothing about bicycle other than the types of bike (road, mountain, hybrid, etc.).

    http://www.ksl.com/index.php?nid=218...arch=&ad_cid=9

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    PLEASE HELP!!
    Quite silly of you to ask for help with this one.. GO BUY IT NOW! Or else it's probably already gone
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    Quote Originally Posted by RaleighSport View Post
    Quite silly of you to ask for help with this one.. GO BUY IT NOW! Or else it's probably already gone
    I'm not gonna lie, I am SILLY! Just texted the seller and will see if he still has it.

    Just out of curiosity, what makes you think the bike is worth $200? As I mentioned, I am completely new to this and since there is a discussion on 86/87/88 road bike here, so I thought it would be a good place to ask.

    Also, I am 5'9 male with 30-31 inseam, I think 54-56cm frame would be perfect fit, but 52cm wouldn't be all that bad right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by leaping_gnome View Post
    Tange Prestige was hot stuff then. My first choice for a road bike would have been the Allez with Campy SR. But I'm with Snydermann, I like Lotus for quality and value in the Prestige-based bikes. So here's my choice:


    Because I like that Sugino 75 group.
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    You have awesome taste in bikes.

    One of these rare Elan 75 beauties just sold on eBay for the mere sum of $460.00. It didn't have the original wheels, but still had Campy hubs and Mavic clincher rims. It's one of only 4 Elan 75 bikes that I've ever seen, one being in my Lotus collection (with original rims).

    $460.00 was a steal for a crazy rare bike with a totally cool component group.

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    this was what i rode in the mid to late 80's. wish i still had it, these are worth their weight in gold.



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    Quote Originally Posted by RaleighSport View Post
    What really fascinates me in that spread is the electronic shifting...
    yeah that would definitely be interesting to check out.. though since you never hear much about it, I assume the browning electronic transmission was a flop
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    Quote Originally Posted by frantik View Post
    yeah that would definitely be interesting to check out.. though since you never hear much about it, I assume the browning electronic transmission was a flop
    That was my conclusion after the shock of 80's electronic shifting wore off.. still though how horribly did it go that they didn't follow up?
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    Quote Originally Posted by zs3889 View Post
    I'm not gonna lie, I am SILLY! Just texted the seller and will see if he still has it.

    Just out of curiosity, what makes you think the bike is worth $200? As I mentioned, I am completely new to this and since there is a discussion on 86/87/88 road bike here, so I thought it would be a good place to ask.


    Also, I am 5'9 male with 30-31 inseam, I think 54-56cm frame would be perfect fit, but 52cm wouldn't be all that bad right?
    Let's see... Centurion Iron Man == Tange 1 tubing, Japanese construction. The components are a mixed bag of original and replacements...Shimano 600, RX100, Suntour GPX, and a Campy Record front hub.
    Iron Mans fetch a premium and not easy (for me at least) to find. 52cm is a bit small. For your size, you'd be riding it set up as pictured.
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    Traded it for a better CD player and a bunch of CD's.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WNG View Post
    Let's see... Centurion Iron Man == Tange 1 tubing, Japanese construction. The components are a mixed bag of original and replacements...Shimano 600, RX100, Suntour GPX, and a Campy Record front hub.
    Iron Mans fetch a premium and not easy (for me at least) to find. 52cm is a bit small. For your size, you'd be riding it set up as pictured.
    Thanks for your input. I contacted the seller and will be test riding the bike tomorrow!

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    Quote Originally Posted by WNG View Post
    To end on a more light-hearted anecdote....
    A childhood friend had a date with a pretty Korean girl when he was in NYU. They looked like they were hitting it off, until he made a comment that he was surprised in a pleasant way that she didn't smell Korean. He said she looked confused and asked for an explanation. He told her that the Koreans he's been around all had a strong odor of kimchi. Whether from their breath or body. But she didn't didn't have any smell. Needless to say, the date went off a cliff after that. And she didn't speak to him again. When I was told this, I slapped myself onto the forehead and was shocked by this. How could he have said this!! We kept arguing over his attitude. He kept at it that he meant nothing offensive by it, but was trying to pay her a compliment and she took it the wrong way. To this day, 30 years later, he can't admit to himself he did anything wrong. His success with the ladies haven't improved over the years either. :-P
    I'm guessing your friend didn't (doesn't?) get much!
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    Well, the only road bike I have from those three years is my Prologue. Of course, I didn't buy it back then, but if I knew what I knew now, I would have (except I prefer used). Turn the clock back just one year, and the choice is simple for me, my chrome Katakura Silk. Originally underbuilt component group wise (LePree), but hand made, in Japan, and did I mention, CHROME? Oh yeah.

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