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Old 02-18-14, 07:41 PM   #101
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I'm sorry - I should have been more clear and just said feel like plastic.
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Old 02-18-14, 08:25 PM   #102
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This is a great thread and good food for thought! Up until 1985 I rode my early 70s Motobecane Super Mirage thru high school/college/grad school/professional school. Then I hung up the riding for awhile (oops). Then I got back into it in the mid-90s with an aluminum GT "triple triangle" style road bike. Then took a step up with a Serotta Cti titanium in 1997, which has stood me well since then (along with another steel Serotta, and an tandem Santana). A "frolic and detour" during an event ride in 2010 has steered me towards riding my own pace rather than trying to keep up with the pack, and now i find myself enjoying the more classic steel bikes of the 70s. I feel like I missed out on the 80s and will be perusing the remarks posted here for some ideas. Hope the suggestions keep coming!
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Heh gaucho, what year is your ParkPre?

Now that's a great bike.
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Old 02-18-14, 09:25 PM   #104
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^Thanks. I'm believe it's an '89, but my memory is a bit fuzzy. Definitely no later than early 1990. The sons of the ParkPre co-founder Cozy Yamakoshi were teammates. Pretty soon after the company was founded in 1989, they became sponsors of our junior team. This was something of a prototype team bike. When we were given the bikes, it was only the 2nd or 3rd ParkPre I'd ever seen. They had more of a MTB presence, and I'm not sure if a comparable road model with Tange Prestige tubing ever made it to market.
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Any opinions on tubesets from this period?
Columbus was it....

Reynolds was falling out of favor by the late 80's...its was an old tubeset who's time had passed.

Tange had their Prestige tubeset which was top notch but like everything else Japanese it never caught on with the peloton....or local club riders. Keep in mind that if you raced you raced European....European builders didn't use Tange and American builders wanted to be as European as they could

Vitus 980 was top notch but very whippy in larger sizes.
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'85 Fuji Professional.

http://www.classicfuji.com/1985_07_P...ional_Page.htm

There are so many good choices, though.
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'85 Fuji Professional.

http://www.classicfuji.com/1985_07_P...ional_Page.htm

There are so many good choices, though.
'85/86 was pivotal year for Fuji. '85 was last year for tubular tires and non-aero brake levers.
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I worked in shop from '84 through '96 and saw Shimano gain market dominace first hand....here're my thoughts based on your but from a mechanics perspective and from collecting/rebuilding/restoring for the last decade!!

Hubs: C Record was merely a re-tread of Record with difficult to work with aesthetic dust caps. Dura Ace hubs had mechanical seals while Campy had none. Advantage Shimano.
Crankset: Some more goofiness on Caampy's part....left hand threads? Campy's long term finish is better than Dura Ace but overall quality...stiffness, durability is about the same. Campy was using that odd ball 135bcd..Why??? Advantage Shimano
BB: Shmiano had mechanical seals. Campy had no seals. Advantage Shimano
Brakes: Superior ergonomics with Shimano. Advantage Shimano
Derailleurs: Shimano was the most durable toughest derailleur you could find. And it worked....the first time. Advantage Shimano
Seat post: Shimano put that little goofy set screw in the from of the post...I dont know if it helped with adjustments but I've seen more bad DA posts over the years than Campy. This is a wash.

some of the modern parts I'll put ahead of some of the older stuff....7700 calipers, 7700 hubs

I actually agree with your entire opinion ........but from a vintage collectable point of view shimano sits far from being desired

VINTAGE SHIMANO DURA ACE RD-7400 REAR DERAILLEUR -- EXCELLENT CONDITION 65.00

http://www.ebay.com/itm/VINTAGE-SHIM...item2eced95233



Campagnolo 1st generation derailleur C-Record road bike bicycle Italian campy 240.00

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Campagnolo-1...item3cdccdfb15



Shimano Dura Ace hubset 7400 VGC 36/36h 110.00

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Shimano-Dura...item2a3774fae1


Campagnolo C Record 36 holes hubs hub set 279.00

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Campagnolo-C...item27de20036d



and it is the same with just about every single part between dura ace and c-record

now it goes back to the time machine question IF you bought 2 bikes both 1987 colnago masters...... and one was full shimano 7400 and the other was full c-record.................. and you kept both in storage until today which would be worth more ???
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Old 02-19-14, 09:28 AM   #109
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I actually agree with your entire opinion ........but from a vintage collectable point of view shimano sits far from being desired

now it goes back to the time machine question IF you bought 2 bikes both 1987 colnago masters...... and one was full shimano 7400 and the other was full c-record.................. and you kept both in storage until today which would be worth more ???
I agree 100%. There's no comparison from a collectibility perspective!!! All of the value is in Campagnolo Record.
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Campy's collectibility can be counter-intuitive - the stuff that was popular and great, like NR, isn't terribly expensive because it was around forever and lots used it. C-record is valuable because it wasn't popular or around for long - there's less supply. All vintage bikes are, to some extent, about style over substance, and c-record had a lot of style.

Example - the campy aero bottles/cage. God awful, but they sure are pretty and $$$.
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I agree 100%. There's no comparison from a collectibility perspective!!! All of the value is in Campagnolo Record.
I still kick myself about Colorado cyclist was selling off all their 25th anniversary super record collector kits for 1100.00 each with cases and had more than 10 available [h=1][/h]
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Well in '86 I wanted to put together a Woodrup Touring frame to go with my Trek 970 but got sidetracked when I moved to the west coast. So I sold the 970 for needed funds (which is what I'm waiting for to put your old 970 frame together Barrettscv) and so I put that Woodrup build plan away.

What I wound up doing a year later was to put a down payment on my '86 Trek 500 and rode it out of the LBS about a month later. It was a last year's model and I liked everything about it for the on-sale price......The 600 EX components and the 531 tubing (Which is what the Woodrup would have had). I just didn't like the '87 aero brake hoods on the other bikes it shared the showroom with for one thing.

Now if I had walked into a Schwinn dealer instead of a Trek dealer I might've put my down payment on a Le Tour or Super Sport depending on size, color and price. That's kind of the price range I was looking at just to get back onto the road. Am certainly happy I found my pewter gray 500 Trek though instead.

But if we're talking money being no object I would have gone for a Trek 760 or maybe a 770 for a ride-away machine. If I'd had the time and money to build another really nice bike I'd probably, at that time, ordered a blue Pinarello frameset or solid blue De Rosa because one of those was the hot Italian that I always wanted in the early '80s.

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So two answers to the original question...

1987 - what DID I buy then? A 1987 Schwinn Traveler...it was all the bike that I could afford at the time...and it made for a very decent rider. I still have the frame (although it is the first bike that I tried wrenching on...and I made a couple of shameless errors) and will be keeping that frame!

The second part...what would I buy with what I know now...and...unlimited funds? First would be a Miyata 1000! Today I have a 1981 Miyata 1000 and it is my favorite bike. As the 1000 progressively got better through the 80's, it would be a no brainer. So, there is my "touring" bike, although I use my 1000 as an all rounder today.

The other bike I would buy, given a bit more racy geometry would be a Pinarello...not sure which model I would take, but...just for the cache of having an Italian bike...of course, I would want full Campy Super Record, etc. Probably would barely ride this bike...but...just the prestige!
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So two answers to the original question...

1987 - what DID I buy then? A 1987 Schwinn Traveler...it was all the bike that I could afford at the time...and it made for a very decent rider. I still have the frame (although it is the first bike that I tried wrenching on...and I made a couple of shameless errors) and will be keeping that frame!

The second part...what would I buy with what I know now...and...unlimited funds? First would be a Miyata 1000! Today I have a 1981 Miyata 1000 and it is my favorite bike. As the 1000 progressively got better through the 80's, it would be a no brainer. So, there is my "touring" bike, although I use my 1000 as an all rounder today.

The other bike I would buy, given a bit more racy geometry would be a Pinarello...not sure which model I would take, but...just for the cache of having an Italian bike...of course, I would want full Campy Super Record, etc. Probably would barely ride this bike...but...just the prestige!
Then check out our forum member's Pinarello.

His name is Buldogge and the bicycle is absolutely gorgeous.
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