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noglider 02-17-14 01:55 PM

Some new ideas are bad ideas
 
I thought this looked pretty nifty.

Shopping link

http://fasttechcdn.com/products/147/.../1477616-4.jpg

Wow a saddle with titanium rails for only $17.

When I received it, my magnet stuck to the rails, and the saddle weighed more than advertised. I wrote to the seller who gave me an RMA number and a shipping label. I never got around to returning it, so I decided to use the saddle.

That was a bad idea. I rode it yesterday for the first time.

It shredded my nice wool trousers and then it fell apart.

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-3...0/IMG_2603.JPG

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-d...0/IMG_2611.jpg
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-c...0/IMG_2612.JPG

sloar 02-17-14 01:59 PM

i actually thought about buying this at one time. good thing i didn't. that is horrible.

noglider 02-17-14 02:02 PM

Yeah, I asked for a refund AND money for my trousers.

daf1009 02-17-14 02:03 PM

Well...at least it looks cool...and I would wager that it IS cool sitting on it...but...wow...damage galore!

zandoval 02-17-14 02:19 PM

Thanks for the warning...

I wonder if the colder temperature caused the plastic to become brittle...

Which brings me to another question - I wonder if plastic bikes are affected drastically by colder weather???

lostarchitect 02-17-14 02:23 PM

That is absolutely ridiculous. And for those who don't know, Tom is not a huge guy.

Italuminium 02-17-14 02:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lostarchitect (Post 16503414)
And for those who don't know, Tom is not a huge guy.

Shees, I'm glad we can still call Tom a guy with that saddle breaking at that spot...

On a group ride about two years ago a guy in front of broke his carbon seat post, he had 50 km more to go with a razor sharp spear of charcoal aimed at his fambly jewels... The guy was a beast though, and finished the ride a danseuse.

dweenk 02-17-14 02:29 PM

That thing, even if it held together, would make you ass look like a waffle.

The Golden Boy 02-17-14 02:31 PM

Tom, I'm glad you're OK- that's some scary self destruction.

Birthday 02-17-14 02:40 PM

Weelll, the idea itself purportedly isn't that bad, but this is a cheap knockoff. The Tioga Spyder proper typically seems to last more than one ride. It's just perfect that one of the more frequently copied saddles happens to be the one that depends most on material quality.

SJX426 02-17-14 03:10 PM

....or selection. Quality may have been fine, just an application mismatch!:)

Chombi 02-17-14 03:32 PM

I don't think it even snows in Taiwan.......:rolleyes:

CroMo Mike 02-17-14 03:38 PM

""Some new ideas are bad ideas""

Seems like some of the craziest "new" ideas are seen in saddles. I guess when a person's behind doesn't like their current saddle, they'll try anything, no matter how unusual.

Only classic Selle Italia Flites and SLR's for me, thanks.

storckm 02-17-14 03:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by zandoval (Post 16503399)
Thanks for the warning...

I wonder if the colder temperature caused the plastic to become brittle...

Which brings me to another question - I wonder if plastic bikes are affected drastically by colder weather???

Probably not in New York. But I did read an article once about a woman riding across Antarctica. She was using a leather saddle, because a plastic one would have shattered in the cold.

iab 02-17-14 03:42 PM

Actually, most ideas are bad ideas. But since ideas are so cheap, it costs little to get to the good ideas.

JohnDThompson 02-17-14 04:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by zandoval (Post 16503399)
I wonder if the colder temperature caused the plastic to become brittle...

I suspect this might be so. I used a plastic Arius saddle on a bike for a while, no problems, but after a sub-zero winter ride found this:

http://www.os2.dhs.org/~john/arius-cracks.jpg

jimmuller 02-17-14 04:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by iab (Post 16503649)
Actually, most ideas are bad ideas. But since ideas are so cheap, it costs little to get to the good ideas.

No one is allowed to have good iDeas. Apple has copyrighted the good iDea and all derivatives. They dont mind if you have bad ones though, as long as you don't call it an iDea.

noglider 02-17-14 04:51 PM

I didn't know about the Spyder.

I found an old saddle in my junk heap, an Avocet Racing I which happens to have one of those tubular tire holders. It's heavy, but it's a pretty groovy find.

repechage 02-17-14 05:23 PM

Let's assume that the saddles that fractured were molded from some family of nylon.
Nylon absorbs water, and increases the distance between the molecules.
When its freezing, nylon parts will be more brittle.
Nylon parts lack toughness in the cold

Yes, there is a biological heater sitting on top of them, but probably not enough heat.

I saw that Taiwan saddle a while back, and wondered about its strength, it just looked like there was too little material to do the job.
The ti rails are probably ti oxide coated steel.
Who knows what quality of resin they used in molding.

Aston Martin just recalled a number of years of production of vehicles as the Chinese supplier did not use the specified resin in an accelerator pedal link and parts broke.
Oops, often its trust then verify. Even for the big boys.

aixaix 02-17-14 05:25 PM

Buttsweat Cracks Plastic Saddle! Scientists Awestruck! Defense Department Alerted: Seeking Military Application For Miracle Excretion!
"Can I Patent This?", Asks Reingold!

You never cease to amaze, Ole Grind!

RaleighSport 02-17-14 05:29 PM

Wow Tom, sorry to hear you got a dud! From my personal buying experiences, the $17 one is the chromo hollow rail model.
I own both the Vertu version and the Tioga version, both have held up incredibly well.. but I will note you do want bike specific clothing or pants that without sewn on back pockets perhaps.. since as you found out it can snag quite easily.
I don't like false advertising or that you got a bad one to boot..

It should also be noted that the craftsmanship and finishing work of the Tioga is light years ahead of the Vertu, but that's $70 vs $17.

ultraman6970 02-17-14 05:35 PM

Incredible, thats the copy of the tioga one.

rhm 02-17-14 05:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JohnDThompson (Post 16503834)
I suspect this might be so. I used a plastic Arius saddle on a bike for a while, no problems, but after a sub-zero winter ride found this:

http://www.os2.dhs.org/~john/arius-cracks.jpg

I had a "Zeus" suede covered saddle that developed a crack like that. Before throwing it away i peeled up the suede, and found it was an Arius saddle underneath the suede. Not just like yours, but pretty close.

old's'cool 02-17-14 07:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by noglider (Post 16503320)
I thought this looked pretty nifty.

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-3...0/IMG_2603.JPG

That strikes me as a device very well suited to turning your ass into sausage, if you chose to ride it for an extended period.

bici_mania 02-17-14 07:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jimmuller (Post 16503847)
No one is allowed to have good iDeas. Apple has copyrighted the good iDea and all derivatives. They dont mind if you have bad ones though, as long as you don't call it an iDea.

:roflmao:


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