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dddd 02-18-14 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by dazevedo (Post 16506346)

Is that perhaps the 10cm stem that pastorbob was just referring to? Bob?

These are insane-cool bikes that you all are posting!

dazevedo 02-18-14 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by dddd (Post 16506476)
Is that perhaps the 10cm stem that pastorbob was just referring to? Bob?

These are insane-cool bikes that you all are posting!

I believe so although mine is actually 95 mm C to C

http://i197.photobucket.com/albums/a...ps3d54069a.jpg

Metacortex 02-18-14 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by pastorbobnlnh (Post 16506128)
Its a bit of an oddball. I've only ever had this one and have seen maybe 2 other examples on the internet. It is marked "Schwinn Forged" and maybe Metacortex can shed some light on it. It was not original to the bike, but I'm assuming was made by Schwinn in Chicago. This is the only example I know of them making an aluminum stem.

I believe that "Schwinn Forged" stem was made by GB and was used only in '78-'79 and only on the 24"-26" Men's and 22" Ladies' Continental IIs. There is one currently for sale on eBay: http://www.ebay.com/itm/151233317990

That stem replaced the "girder design" Schwinn stem (also made by GB) that was used from '73 through '78 on larger framed bikes. In '80 and later all of the GB stems were replaced by SR (made and branded) stems.

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There's a varation on this stem which came on the larger framed Sports Tourers and Continentals. It is actually what I have on Sporty now, since the original was too short in reach for me. It has a flattened/ridge top extending from the fork to the handlebars.
That is the "girder design" stem I was referring to, which was used on 24" and larger framed Continentals, Sprints, Super Sports and Sports Tourers (and 26" framed Varsitys) from '73 through '78. Schwinn listed these stems as having a 3.5" (90mm) reach.

http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=364865http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=364866http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=364867

Darth Lefty 02-18-14 03:04 PM

Every time I see one of these threads about nice old Schwinns, either the lugged or fillet ones, I go take a look at Craigslist. I can usually find one or two examples but they are either oddballs or thrashed or museum pieces.

pastorbobnlnh 02-18-14 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Metacortex (Post 16506596)
I believe that "Schwinn Forged" stem was made by GB and was used only in '79 and only on the 24"-26" Men's and 22" Ladies' Continentals. There is one currently for sale on eBay: http://www.ebay.com/itm/151233317990

Notice the difference between my stem and the one listed on ebay?
http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p...r/P4070015.jpg
http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p...ps0917c0be.jpghttp://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p...psbe193793.jpg
Mine has a hex nut head on the top of the binding bolt. The ebay one has a recessed Allen wrench head. Small difference. I believe mine was missing the bar binding bolt, so what you see is something stainless I picked up at ACE.

ZeniCycles 02-18-14 04:39 PM

I sure wanted to take the Superior all the way back to where it should be but that is as far as the owner of the Superior wanted to go. I was a little sad that they just put it up for sale but o'well someone will get a nice bike and can finish it.

Metacortex 02-18-14 04:55 PM

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Originally Posted by pastorbobnlnh (Post 16506853)
Mine has a hex nut head on the top of the binding bolt. The ebay one has a recessed Allen wrench head. Small difference.

Is your stem also stamped "British Made"? It should also have a date stamp. GB apparently made them with hex bolts in '78 and recessed bolts in '79. Here's another listing with the short-reach version of that stem, it may also have the recessed bolt, unfortunately it's hard to tell since it is missing: http://www.ebay.com/itm/251302442267

jeirvine 02-18-14 05:05 PM

I picked up a '77 Superior in need of a wheelset last year on CL. Rode it as a single speed for a bit. Ended up selling it. I found it to be a lot heavier that I had expected.
http://www.thejennifers.com/Bike_Pics/Superior.JPG

The Golden Boy 02-18-14 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by ZeniCycles (Post 16506937)
I sure wanted to take the Superior all the way back to where it should be but that is as far as the owner of the Superior wanted to go. I was a little sad that they just put it up for sale but o'well someone will get a nice bike and can finish it.

Hi John, nice to see you post here.


You bought that beat up Continental from me in Waukesha.

ZeniCycles 02-18-14 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by The Golden Boy (Post 16507025)
Hi John, nice to see you post here.


You bought that beat up Continental from me in Waukesha.


Hey,

How have you been?? That was a lot of fun stand in that Walmart parking lot talking bikes!

The Golden Boy 02-18-14 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by ZeniCycles (Post 16507040)
Hey,

How have you been?? That was a lot of fun stand in that Walmart parking lot talking bikes!

Yes it was!

I've enjoyed your blog.

Metacortex 02-18-14 05:39 PM

John, I enjoy your blog immensely!

ZeniCycles 02-18-14 05:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Metacortex (Post 16507100)
John, I enjoy your blog immensely!

Thanks,

its a lot of fun, never a bad day.

Grand Bois 02-18-14 06:47 PM

I really don't understand the attraction to these overweight frames, but there's a lot I don't understand.

vonfilm 02-18-14 06:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Grand Bois (Post 16507287)
I really don't understand the attraction to these overweight frames, but there's a lot I don't understand.

It is all about those smooth fillet brazed curves and that Cadillac ride.

It is sort of like the way a U08 rides better than it should.

Grand Bois 02-18-14 07:09 PM

I know from personal experience that a person with with little or no experience with a torch can pile on ugly blobs of brass and then file and sand it to blend perfectly. I'm not impressed by fillet brazed frames.

Cadillac ride? No thanks.

vonfilm 02-18-14 08:00 PM

GB, Have you ridden a fillet brazed Schwinn very far? I have put thousands of miles on mine and it has a wonderful ride. It is responsive and smooth. Mine(73 Super Sport)currently weighs about 27.5 lbs but most of the miles were ridden at the stock weight. A lot of forum members who also have very lightweight bicycles love them and their riding qualities.

pastorbobnlnh 02-18-14 08:22 PM

There's a beauty and elegance in the Schwinn fillet brazed frames that make them uniquely part of the American bicycle history. Of course some people don't appreciate this history, nor the fact Schwinn had perfected this technique and offered a lifetime warranty on their frames. To do so, they had to be confident and have a proven record of offering a quality product.

Yes, some of the fillets are gloppy and not so pretty, but if you like this sort of frame building, you don't mind.

http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p...ttubeDecal.jpg

http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p...innQuality.jpg

Instead you appreciate the history and legacy that extends all the way from the beginning of Schwinn until 1978.

http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p...ndbottubes.jpg

There is something beautiful about the smooth sweeping transitions between the tubes.

http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p...s/P1000416.jpg

http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p...e/P7030014.jpg

The final fillet brazed generation of 10 & 15 speed road bikes, made between 1962-78, are also a very versatile base for creative projects.

http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p...tyrearside.jpg

More power to those who want to keep these beauties alive and well for coming generations.

Chrome Molly 02-18-14 08:26 PM

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My addition to this party. SuperSport with a couple mods.

Hudson308 02-18-14 08:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Chrome Molly (Post 16507499)
http://www.bikeforums.net/attachment...8&d=1330210842

My addition to this party. SuperSport with a couple mods.

Soooooo.... you were holdin' OUT on me! :eek: Sweet SS.
Hope to have a project or two to share here in the spring.
It's possible you may be a bit familiar with one of them. ;)

Hudson308 02-18-14 08:49 PM

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Originally Posted by pastorbobnlnh (Post 16507488)

Can you share a bit more about this one, Pastor? That fork crown and box striping have me intrigued!

pastorbobnlnh 02-18-14 08:55 PM

The above and below fillet brazed is a Superior from about the late 1930s or '40s. I swiped the pictures from an ebay listing over 8 years ago and it became the inspiration for the box stripes on Sporty. Very classy, isn't it! :D

http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p...arseattube.jpg

http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p...ersCaliper.jpg

vonfilm 02-18-14 09:06 PM

Right on Pastorbob!

Salubrious 02-18-14 09:14 PM

Superior on CL, y'all. http://minneapolis.craigslist.org/an...304165347.html

Its too small for me or it would be long gone.

I have a Sports Tourer from 73 that is nearly road-ready. Replacing some rear spokes right now from a failed derailer replacement attempt. Finally found a Le Tour at the local swap meet. Perfect condition and only $10.00. So even though its not quite correct (mine originally had a Campy Gran Tourismo, which does indeed shift rather less well than a leatherman:)) I should finally be getting it going.

Mine has no kickstand; appears to have been removed and other than touch up, you can't tell where it was. Any problems riding it this way- would there be a problem with the stays? They look pretty stout....

Metacortex 02-18-14 09:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Salubrious (Post 16507655)
Superior on CL, y'all. http://minneapolis.craigslist.org/an...304165347.html

Its too small for me or it would be long gone.

I don't see any pics and the seller states it is an '85, which didn't exist. Plus the seller states it was "welded with silver" and the price is crazy, so not much to go on there. <g>

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I have a Sports Tourer from 73 that is nearly road-ready... ...mine originally had a Campy Gran Tourismo, which does indeed shift rather less well than a leatherman...
The original rear derailleur on a '73 Sports Tourer would be a Schwinn GT-300 Le Tour. The Campagnolo Gran Turismo was only supplied in '71 and '72.

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Mine has no kickstand; appears to have been removed and other than touch up, you can't tell where it was. Any problems riding it this way- would there be a problem with the stays? They look pretty stout....
I'm believe that would be fine strength-wise due to the overbuilt nature of these, however that is unfortunate as the built-in kickstand was one of the best features of these bikes IMHO.


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