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Old 02-18-14, 08:03 PM   #1
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In case some of you have not seen this one on Ebay now:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/291082444303...%3AMEBIDX%3AIT

Any guess to what this will sell for? I'm in San Diego and have met Brian an few times. Kinda reminds me of Van Morrison for some reason? I have often hoped to get one of his frames but alas, usually too rich for my blood. Great frame builder with a rich history. My size too
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People actually pay that much for a reproduction? Do explain.
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Old 02-18-14, 08:09 PM   #3
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I think is is Brian's experience, ability and history in the industry.
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People actually pay that much for a reproduction? Do explain.
Well, maybe not so outrageous at all if you put it into a "custom bike" framework.

Start with a $3,500 custom frameset from your choice of builder and start buying the rest of the needed bits.

You can quickly creep into a $6,000 pride and joy.

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Well, maybe not so outrageous at all if you put it into a "custom bike" framework.

Start with a $3,500 custom frameset from your choice of builder and start buying the rest of the needed bits.

You can quickly creep into a $6,000 pride and joy.

The Moots I am pricing is sitting at $6,500 or so in today's dollars.

.....and that's with 6800 Ultegra.

So, judging by the current bidding on this one, there are some folks that are on the same wavelength as webike4fun.

Btw It is a gorgeous bike, but I believe forum member Vonruden also has an original Super at a favorable pricepoint.
Yeah I guess it's "custom", custom for someone else. I don't know, it just seems like buying a fake. It is very nice looking though.
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My guess is close to 2K: at that price point 1) original Colnago's in good-great condition are available and have a wider audience for resale in the future. 2) Custom frame sets start too look more affordable, if you are spending 2K+ plus what's another 1200.00? and 3) many collectors already have a Colnago of like-value. 4) It is confusing? Some thoughts area, "Am I buying a Colnago or Bayliss with a Colnago stickers?" "It is legal to build a replica and put decals on it?" "Why not just Bayliss decals?" So my number is $2000.00!
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Yeah I guess it's "custom", custom for someone else. I don't know, it just seems like buying a fake. It is very nice looking though.
How about if the "fake" is actually of higher quality? I'd rather have a bike Brian built than a factory built colnago, regardless of paint scheme.
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For sure, I will not be bidding; so this colors my thinking. But this appears a hand made first rate bicycle styled like a highly desired factory bike. It is probably better made than the thing it pretends to be. The thing it pretends to be, however, is just fine in terms of quality, so there is probably no discernable difference in ride; not that (as the ad implies) the buyer is not that likely to ride it anyway.
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doesn't seem too crazy to me (other than it is too big for me)...size is close to "normal", and you get a modern master's take on a classic bike.
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Not digging it - if I want a Colnago, I'd get a Colnago, not a replica.
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Ok good, for a second there I thought I was the only one who wouldn't want a reproduction. I'm not hating on the bike per se but rather that it's "pretending" to be something else. If I liked this Brian guy then I would want one of his original creations for that much money. Just my 2 cents
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But his original creations don't go for that much money.
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Not digging it - if I want a Colnago, I'd get a Colnago, not a replica.
Scrape off the decals, slap on something different.

Boom.

You got yourself an orange Bayliss.
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doesn't seem too crazy to me (other than it is too big for me)...size is close to "normal", and you get a modern master's take on a classic bike.
Agreed. It's not a fake, it's a replica by an outstanding framebuilder and painter. As for the money, it's dirt cheap right now. Brians name will increase that bikes value as years go by.
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I think Brian Bayliss prefers to think of them as TRIBUTE frames. I read a long post--maybe it was on the CR list, or on his blog, but I can't find it--in which he explains his practice of making such "tribute" frames. Keep in mind, Bayliss is also a passionate vintage collector/restorer. He has great appreciation--along with the knowledge and skill to recreate--these masterpieces. He's up front about what he does, so it's not fair to call it a fake.

Check out his TRIBUTE Masi track bike:
http://brianbaylis.blogspot.com/2012...k-bicycle.html
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I think Tribute is the right word.

Heck, Look actually had a model called the Replica...
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My original post vaporized.

I saw this one earlier when it was presented differently, higher initial bid and with a buy it now if I recall.

Yes, Brian calls them tribute frames, and of the examples I have seen he leaves a mark in the metalwork to advise that.
I also recall that Ernesto was shown one of the Colnagos Brian has made and signed the top tube. This was at a San Diego Granfondo where Colnago was a sponsor. Endorsed then?

This bike probably was given more build attention than any production Super.
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Agreed. It's not a fake, it's a replica by an outstanding framebuilder and painter. As for the money, it's dirt cheap right now. Brians name will increase that bikes value as years go by.
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I also recall that Ernesto was shown one of the Colnagos Brian has made and signed the top tube.
That's cool.
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I don't get it.

Tribute? Then why not be true to the details of the original all the way through? Clover window in lower headlug - wrong shape. No clover engraving in fork crown. Correct cutout in BB shell. Columbus vice Campagnolo dropouts?

I'd much rather have a Baylis signed by Baylis - and not just because I happen to be a big Colnago fan. I'd feel the same about any of his Tribute frame. Brian is bad-ass in his own right; why would he even feel the need?

I'd understand some up-and-comer making a frame as a tribute to Baylis, though - I'd get that

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DD, ask yourself: If you could have any bike in the world, would you still "feel the need" to ride your Super? We ride 'em, he builds 'em. If it floats his boat to get a little nostalgic in his builds from time to time, who are we above all people to begrudge him for that. And some of those 'nago details are a bit hard to keep straight!
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Not worth the money.
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I don't get it.

Tribute? Then why not be true to the details of the original all the way through?
Because it is a tribute and not a copy. If he made a copy, he would have to lower his standards.
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Oooh! Teddy Bear cutouts in the lugs!! Mine Mine Mine!!!
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It is probably built better than the original.
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