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    Bianchi Campione D'Italia - pictures and questions

    Picked up Bianchi Campione D'Italia today. One owner - in his 70s now, did not have a chance to meet him, was dealing with his son.
    He emailed me in response to my wanted ad. I asked for some pictures and upon seeing this beauty - explained to him what they have, how much they can get for it (as is and refurbished) and send my offer as well. He accepted and I am super excited - I was afraid (based on the angle and the pictures he sent that it would be too big for me) but turns out it is my perfect size. Once they are done with house move - he is pretty sure he has original saddle and pedals and will mail them to me.

    Anyway - enough of my happy rumble, I have many questions :-)

    Bike appears to be mostly original and I would like your expert opinion on several things. All original pictures are here http://1drv.ms/1gkBQ7O (huge resolutuon so you can zoom in).

    Currently on the bike - according to seller it was purchased mid-end 80s:

    Miche QRs and I assume Miche hubs (have work "Touring" on them and "PATENT" under it)
    Rims - no indication of make or model
    Tires - Michelin Select Sport 700x20
    I pumped them and took bike for a quick spin around the block and they roll exceptionally nice.

    Unknown seat post, badly scratched but I think restorable, 27.2

    Brakes - Modolo Mach 1 (I think I had same on my Bianchi Quattro)
    Levers - I assume Modolo as well with non-fitting DiaCompe hoods

    Housing, bottle holders - with Bianchi name on them

    BB - did not take apart yet but does not look like 70mm, I think it is 68mm, will measure again when bike is apart.
    Tubing indicated Bianchi Formula II, Columbus - main three tubes, butted. Since it say Columbus I assumed it was made in Italy but if BB is 68 - Taiwan or Japan? No markings on BB outside - may be spindle has some indication

    Handlebars - "Champion", did not take bar tape off yet to see if there are other markings.

    Headset - Ofmega, stem - Bianchi, no other markings (again-looks very similar to the one I had on Quattro)

    Pedals - unknown cheap looking plastic but with leather straps, Celeste color

    Freewheel - no idea yet, will see tomorrow

    Rear dropouts - Gipiemme

    Campagnolo RD, FD and downtube shifters - any thoughts on what model and year?
    Crankset - Stronglight, thoughts on what model?
    S/N L.8 on non-drive side and 4667 on the drive side - does it help to determine the year?
    Seat post lock - does it look original to you? It is very tight fit - almst touches seat stays, make is Kalloy

    Overall it feels a bit lighter then my 1987 Premio (probably mostly due to components - I think Premio in it's orignal state weighted about the same) - will get exact weight tomorrow. On the road - feels way more comfortable, agile and faster then Premio (probably due difference in rims and tires as well - 700x20 vs 700x25 with puncture protection on Premio).
    I am absolutely in love and can't wait to get my hands on it tomorrow.

    BianchiGirl, I sure hope you will chime in - would love to hear your opinion (especially on what year) and how different is this Canadian beauty vs same year/model US?












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    Are you sure about the BB shell width? How about the cups? 36x24 would cinch it as an Italian build, which I suspect from the tre tubi frame pedigree label; 1.375x24 would be Japanese. L.8 4467 looks a little strange to me -- I am more accustomed to Bianchi S/Ns such as 2F51703 (1962 Corsa, my first road bike and first new bike) and 1.M9914 (1981 Camp. d'Italia, my current Bianchi).
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    Quote Originally Posted by John E View Post
    Are you sure about the BB shell width? How about the cups? 36x24 would cinch it as an Italian build, which I suspect from the tre tubi frame pedigree label; 1.375x24 would be Japanese. L.8 4467 looks a little strange to me -- I am more accustomed to Bianchi S/Ns such as 2F51703 (1962 Corsa, my first road bike and first new bike) and 1.M9914 (1981 Camp. d'Italia, my current Bianchi).
    No, not entirely sure - that's why I want to re-measure tomorrow once I have crankset off. And no indication of threading outside. It does not look like Japanese BB's I worked on before - lockring looks the same but cup have shape of regular nut.

    Re S/N - several threads I digged out and Bianchi S/N thread have same as mine format S/N listed. Need to find them again - L stands for some kind of number as well. Folks reported same location as well - letter and number on non-drive side and 4 digits on the drive side.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mongol777 View Post
    No, not entirely sure - that's why I want to re-measure tomorrow once I have crankset off. And no indication of threading outside. It does not look like Japanese BB's I worked on before - lockring looks the same but cup have shape of regular nut.
    If it is a Stronglight bottom bracket behind that Stronglight crank, here's the magic decoder for Stronglight bottom bracket cup threads:


    Source: Sutherland's 4th Edition

    And for the lockrings:


    Source: Sutherland's 4th Edition
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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnDThompson View Post
    Octagonal, perhaps? If it is a Stronglight bottom bracket behind that Stronglight crank, an octagonal fixed cup would indicate Italian thread:


    Source: Sutherland's 4th Edition
    Aha! I think octagonal is more accurate description (vs "regular nut"). Once crankset is off tomorrow - I'll inspect cups again closely and see if there are any indication outside.
    I also think actual serial number is right behind seat post on BB, hidden by cable guide plate at the moment. I am still going trough all Bianchi CDI threads and one has very similar looking Bianchi (mostly frankenbuild but same looking RD, etc) and S/N is hidden by cable guide at the bottom of BB

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    Why are the zip ties in the down tube? Looks like an old computer, maybe? Don't scratch the Celeste removing those!
    Enjoy the ride!
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    Quote Originally Posted by BentLink View Post
    Why are the zip ties in the down tube? Looks like an old computer, maybe? Don't scratch the Celeste removing those!
    Enjoy the ride!
    Yes, from old computer. Guy told me his Dad went all the way with all kind of gadgets. Pictures are exactly as I received the bike (minus saddle as I just could not look at it and took it right off - big old gel seat).
    Missus is away all day today, weather promises to be nice - all I have to do is finish my breakfast, walk my dogs and start bringing this gorgeous beast back to life.
    I don't think it was ridden much - brake tracks and pads have barely any wear, tires look new, sidewalls are mint, I did not inspect closely but only noticed couple of hairline cracks in black compound - probably because of age. I will likely go with a bit bigger tires (700x20 is just too skinny for me and roads around here) but regardless - they hold ~100PSI overnight with original tubes in them so it will do for now.
    I don't want to go very crazy with resto but likely will replace the following over time:
    bar tape and saddle - for sure
    brakes - want something in silver to match the rest of the group, probably will go with modern Veloce (nice looking and wallet friendly)
    brake levers - undecided, may be something in silver and also Campy
    Stem - undecided, from short ride yesterday it seem to fit. I have nice Cinelli stem somewhere in silver so will see
    Bars - undecided. Condition is rough under the tape and only marking is "Champion"
    Pedals - probably little wider MKS touring
    Cranks - undecided, seem odd to me to have French part on otherwise Italian group. But I like Stronglight cranks and will likely keep the for now
    BB - have to open it up and see cups condition. If they are OK - keep it, if not - sealed unit
    Seat post binder - this big ugly Kalloy thing has to go, will measure and get simple recessed bolt

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    Got everything off:
    - no other serial number, behind shifter cables guides plate is "Bianchi" engraving
    - Frame weight (with drive side cup, headset cup, rear drop outs adjusters and probably pieces of old grease here and there) ~2220 grams
    - Fork weight (with crown race) - ~820 g
    - BB is just short of 70 - 69mm and pennies
    - No markings on the cup. Some letters on spindle (it is soaking in kerosene now and I forgot to snap a pic)
    - Freewheel is Regina Synchro
    - RD shifter is indexed

    Based on freewheel and indexed shifter and according to this thread (Circa 1988 Bianchi Campione D'italia) - I am pretty sure I have 1988 Bianchi CDI with Campy Synchros RD.

    Am I in the ballpark or am I missing something?

    And does Park make Reginal freewheel removal tool or my only source would be ebay?

    btw, I love the wheels - superlight. I have to weigh them at some point but even with freewheel, QRs and tires they feel as light as FG wheelset from Wabi

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    As far as I can see there is minimal rust dusting inside, not a lot. But shifter bosses had some on, couple of chips here and there so I decided to give frame and fork oxalic bath.
    Once out - going to rustproof it and it will be ready to be built back. Almost pulled the trigger on Veloce brakes but realized that I forgot to measure the reach. According to Campy site calipers I am after have 40-50 mm reach and I think Miche's I have on now have pads at about 55mm

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    Quote Originally Posted by mongol777 View Post
    - Freewheel is Regina Synchro [. . .]


    And does Park make Reginal freewheel removal tool or my only source would be ebay?
    Yes, the "Synchro" takes the newer (and far superior) splined freewheel remover, available from Park as the "FR-4" remover.

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    RD is the last version of Victory; think they called it Victory S3.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnDThompson View Post
    Yes, the "Synchro" takes the newer (and far superior) splined freewheel remover, available from Park as the "FR-4" remover.
    Thank you - I think that's the ticket!

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    Quote Originally Posted by metabike View Post
    RD is the last version of Victory; think they called it Victory S3.
    Thank you - from my limited knowledge of Campy, Victory is one their lower end offerings, correct? Just for my own knowledge - as long as it works I don't really care where it stands.

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    Interesting thing about BB - as I mentioned cups and lockring do not have any markings. Spindle has two numbers (7 and 18) and two letters (S and C). But protection insert (plastic tube which goes in the BB shell) has "Ofmega" on it and it is kind of fancy: it consist of two parts - plain tube (as seen in Japanese BB's but just plain, no stretch) and 2nd smaller part which goes into the main tube and provides a bit more snug coverage for the non-drive side caged bearings.

    And thing looked pretty much unused, even grease looked fresh. I flushed it regardless and re-packed everything with fresh grease. Spins very smooth.

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    Progress so far - quick oxalic bath, bath with soda followed by hot soapy water, quickly polished, rustproofed, BB and headset done, Cinelli stem and 3TTT bars installed, crankset cleaned and installed:

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    Question - seat post bind holes do not have usual notch:



    What kind of seat post binder bolt do I need?
    This Campy looks to be the right fit - non drive side has what look to be matching notches. I measured - diameter is ~8mm and length is ~22mm

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    Glad you like your project. It looks like a winner indeed. You have a lot more to work with then I. I have acquired an 88 CDI myself but note a sticker difference for the tubing.

    88 Bianchi CDI 002.jpg88 Bianchi CDI 001.jpg I'm wondering what could explain the difference between the 2 frames. This has the 27.2 seatpost size, made in Italy sticker and a 70mm BB88 Bianchi CDI 005.jpg88 Bianchi CDI 003.jpg As you can see, I have the Black Bianchi which strangely enough I prefer. Did you mention yours is a Canadian model ? That might explain the French components.
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    I may be mistaken but from what I know my tubing is rebadged Cromor (Formula II is Columbus and folks say it was designed by Bianchi but also of opinion that it is equal to Cromor).
    Yep, mine is Canadian. And I already have black Bianchi :-) which I made even more black - if it is sunny tomorrow I will snap some pics and post them
    Did you weigh your frame/fork? - wonder if numbers are same/close.
    also curious (can't quite see it in your pic) - does it say "Tubi" or "tre tubi" on yours?

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    Mongol,

    Decal says Tubi Speciali Rinforzati or something to that effect.

    Weight would be neat to get. At this time I have the frame completely striped but I have no way to weigh it. I live in a po'dunk and will have to travel to the next town for accurate scales.

    Were you able to get the S# from my pic ? Is it close to yours ?
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    BTW, if anyone can provide a catalog for these 88 CDI I would appreciate it greatly. Bulg....site has an 88 but not this particular model. I would love to see what the exact components were.

    Thanks
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    @3speedslow, digital luggage scales on amazon or ebay for under $10. Just use a velco strap if you can't use the hook. Get the cheap digital calipers too if you don't have one yet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by oddjob2 View Post
    @3speedslow, digital luggage scales on amazon or ebay for under $10. Just use a velco strap if you can't use the hook. Get the cheap digital calipers too if you don't have one yet.
    Those sound like great deals ! Thanks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 3speedslow View Post
    Mongol,

    Decal says Tubi Speciali Rinforzati or something to that effect.

    Weight would be neat to get. At this time I have the frame completely striped but I have no way to weigh it. I live in a po'dunk and will have to travel to the next town for accurate scales.

    Were you able to get the S# from my pic ? Is it close to yours ?
    Yes, S# is same format - I also have stamped "Bianchi" and S# location - letter and digit and 4 digits on another side.

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    2 3speedslow - re black Bianchi

    As promised - sun is out so I took couple of pics of my black Bianchi - Japanese Premio.
    I replaced original wheels with black set of sunrims with sealed bearings and black brakeset Miche Primato from Velomine.
    Tektro ergo brake levers - also black, plus black bar tape and black B17.
    I also did not like how original crank looked so replaced with fairly nice budget Vuelta (but kept original c-rings)
    Did not take before pics but it had white bar tape, silver levers with white hoods, black saddle, silver rims with tanwall tires, silver brake calipers.

    And for folks with sharp eye for details - I know that front QR lever is on the wrong side and yes, stem inserted deep enough - I had this extra long SR stem in my parts bin and it was perfect fit as frame is a bit small for me and I like my bars level wit saddle :-)





    Idea for CDI is to build it opposite to Premio - shiny bits and airy feel

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