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Old 03-16-14, 02:00 PM   #1
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Which is Better?

Hi all,

So, I was planning on doing a build, but decided to buy a bike and do the build slowly on the side. I wasn't sure if this should be posted in this section because of the age of the bikes or not (How old is classic?)

I have found two bikes that I like, and would like input.

LeMond Zurich '98 53cm
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earley90"s Ciocc

I know they are both different in price, but, 100 or so really isn't that much of a difference if one bike is vastly better.

What do you guys think?

Thanks in advance!

Edit: I got an email on the Ciocc, it is 54cm. It also has a small ding in the top tube, and some small chips. Price is negotiable.

I have a 32" inseam.

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Hi all,

Edit: I got an email on the Ciocc, it is 54cm. It also has a small ding in the top tube, and some small chips. Price is negotiable.

I have a 32" inseam.
they're both nice bikes, but if that's the case, i wouldnt touch the ciocc. im sure its still rideable but dents/dings in tubing cannot be easily repaired.

is the lemond a repaint?
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they're both nice bikes, but if that's the case, i wouldnt touch the ciocc. im sure its still rideable but dents/dings in tubing cannot be easily repaired.

is the lemond a repaint?
Texting the seller to ask that. I was worried it was a fake or something due to the no decals.

I was thinking the Ciocc is probably a no-go.
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I'd pass on that Lemond. Look at those shifters, missing the head covers. Beat to crap with a full retail price.

When what I can see is beat to crap, I assume what I can't see will be worse.

$600 should be pristine, original paint, and ready to ride.

Keep looking.

Stem too high, but this is a pretty decent bike. It has a Columbus tenax frame.

http://seattle.craigslist.org/see/bik/4374675058.html

http://seattle.craigslist.org/see/bik/4372709625.html

Fork might be a replacement on this one, inspect carefully:
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I'd pass on that Lemond. Look at those shifters, missing the head covers. Beat to crap with a full retail price.

When what I can see is beat to crap, I assume what I can't see will be worse.

$600 should be pristine, original paint, and ready to ride.

Keep looking.
You're right, at closer look it looks pretty beat up.

What about something like this? I am waiting for a size confirmation. But, would I regret the touring geometry? I ride some pretty long distance rides, but I would try and use it for some spirited group rides as well. Great Bianchi street bike!

Thanks.

Edit: Just saw your edit. I like that Trek. As well as the Schwinn, the Schwinn is a touring bike, right? That ties into my question earlier. Also, the Motobecane is okay, looks a little tall.

Thanks for you help.

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The LeMond is not a repaint, the decals were just removed.
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I like the Bianchi so far, but I like touring geometry, in general. Probably a little heavier and slower than the other two? It looks super clean, even if it does have hideous bar tape. If I were in your place, and had the time, I'd go test ride as many of these as I could, just to get a feel for what feels good.
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I like the Bianchi so far, but I like touring geometry, in general. Probably a little heavier and slower than the other two? It looks super clean, even if it does have hideous bar tape. If I were in your place, and had the time, I'd go test ride as many of these as I could, just to get a feel for what feels good.
Thanks for chiming in. I will have to ride as many as possible. I don't get finished with finals (school) until Wednesday, so I will probably start shopping Wednesday afternoon. Thanks for your input.
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Reading about Fuji's, components aren't great. But, basically brand new, and more aggressive geo.

I really need to get out there and ride some of these. The touring geometry appeals because I like distance, but the cross appeals because it is more aggressive.

52cm Fuji Cross 3.0 (NEW)

This is no longer C&V...

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This reminds me of working in a shoe store. I don't think the constant bringing up of bike after bike for our opinion is going to help much. Sooner or later, you're going to have to listen to yourself and take the plunge. We can offer the advice, but you really need to know 2 things:
A-The size of bike you want. Perhaps the bike you are riding can be of assistance.
B-What you don't want, in a broad sense, and what you do want, in a narrow sense.
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This reminds me of working in a shoe store. I don't think the constant bringing up of bike after bike for our opinion is going to help much. Sooner or later, you're going to have to listen to yourself and take the plunge. We can offer the advice, but you really need to know 2 things:
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I agree, and I really hope I don't annoy anyone by doing so.

I am just a little unsure on what I really want, and that is why I ask for opinions.

It will ultimately come down to me, and I will have to get out and start riding some of these.
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I think you need to look at the dent on the Ciocc. The fact that the seller did not image it is a worry, but dented top tubes rarely fail, but other things can get damaged. Not telling until you see. Of those two, the LeMond and the Ciocc both will probably have very different top tube lengths. One might fit you better than the other while still keeping a 10-11 cm stem. But of course inseam is only one measure and that is just not enough to decide on a bike from.
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The LEmond looks older than 98 judging by the shape of the shifters and the lack of pedals --- i would expect it to need a full overhaul unless you got lucky ------

The Ciocc is a moderate collectible just based on the brand alone, -- that said, its probably a more solid buy than the re-badged Trek , but the fit is the most important thing --- if either are too big or too small, it doesnt matter, they both are better off for someone else


But if we were to just take an imaginary boxing match of a Ciocc vs a Lemond, -- the Ciocc wins in a decision


edit - crap, i just looked at your links -- the seller wants $600 for that ugly and beat to hell Lemond? --- heck with him , buy the Ciocc and ride happy ------ that Bianchi for 4 bills does not l look bad either
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of the bunch Id look at the ciocc first.

a small ding in the tube probably isnt an issue.

the lemond looks janky
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The LEmond looks older than 98 judging by the shape of the shifters and the lack of pedals --- i would expect it to need a full overhaul unless you got lucky ------

The Ciocc is a moderate collectible just based on the brand alone, -- that said, its probably a more solid buy than the re-badged Trek , but the fit is the most important thing --- if either are too big or too small, it doesnt matter, they both are better off for someone else


But if we were to just take an imaginary boxing match of a Ciocc vs a Lemond, -- the Ciocc wins in a decision


edit - crap, i just looked at your links -- the seller wants $600 for that ugly and beat to hell Lemond? --- heck with him , buy the Ciocc and ride happy ------ that Bianchi for 4 bills does not l look bad either
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of the bunch Id look at the ciocc first.

a small ding in the tube probably isnt an issue.

the lemond looks janky
Thanks for your input!
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