Originally Posted by The Golden Boy

"Attempts?"

You have 22 posts over the course of just short of 2 years. It's clear you don't understand this "camaraderie" among this group of people, you don't interract with the people here. I don't know the Rev's name. I know he bought a bike off CL that I was relatively interested in, he did a restoration of that bike that was very nice. I also know that his house burned down a couple of months ago.

There is nothing here- you're right, this is a 'Leon Lett dancing before getting to the endzone' situation. However, I understand that joy of finding something really cool, and wanting to shout about it. I'm sorry that you don't understand that joy, even if it is premature.

You're welcome to come and talk, you're welcome to be a part of this group. You're welcome to participate in conversations, and learn who's helpful, who knows their ****, and who's not. Right now, you're choosing to participate- Your opinion of me is probably not going to be favorable because of the way you're choosing to interract with me; you chose to engage me further. However, if you post a thread that I may know something about, I will give you the best information that I can, unless you're a dick to me-

And once again- I do believe you're wrong, about "he/she had no deal with you." By agreeing to sell the bike for the given price, the seller entered into a contract with the Rev. The seller broke that contract, and then apparently broke the contract he made after the Rev by placing the bike on eBay. I don't see anything other than frustration in having something slip through his fingers. I don't see this "blaming rampage."

Originally Posted by revcp

I was not screwing over the seller. It's not like I saw a bike on some old frail guy's porch, knocked on his door and convinced him that it would be in his best interests to allow me to haul away his garbage, and out of the goodness of my heart I would give him a little pocket change. The seller publicly listed an item on Craigslist. That meant he had access to the internet through a phone, a tablet or a computer. If he had combined that access and ten free minutes he could have seen that $300 would have been a pretty low listing price for a Miyata 1000.

I told him I was willing to pay his asking price and we agreed on the sale. I didn't and don't see it as a contract, certainly not an enforceable one. But it was frustrating for me when he backed out, especially when he didn't bother to call and say, "Look, I shouldn't have priced this thing with the dartboard in my man cave. It's worth more than I guessed. I'm thinking I'm going to put it on Ebay, but since we had a verbal agreement I'm wondering whether you would consider buying it for $X."

Originally Posted by spencewine

they figured out the value of something before selling it to a guy 600 miles away using a proxy.

Originally Posted by spencewine

I'm not making any argument other than this thread is silly, CL will be CL, and the seller is not a slimeball for the reasons stated. He/she may indeed be a slimeball, but not because they figured out the value of something before selling it to a guy 600 miles away using a proxy. Anyone here would do the same, guarantee it. This thread has reached the height of silliness, c'mon, you've gone and posted a photo of a bunny with a pancake on its head.

Also, just because I don't post 2,678x doesn't mean anything. I follow this forum, I read it daily, I find a lot of great information here. I choose not to actively post because 1. I don't have the time 2. Most people here have much more knowledge than I do in regards to bicycles - basically I don't feel the need to post. This thread is not like the rest....while there may be lots of discussions around CL deals gone bad, there isn't this type of celebratory backslapping and seller-bashing for a deal that never occurred.

It's interesting you keep bringing up this guy's house burning down...not really sure what you want me to say. I'm sorry it happened, but I'm not going to treat the guy with kids-gloves. I doubt he wants that. It's weird that you feel the need to keep bringing this up.

Interesting that you invite me to talk and then try to humiliate me with your meme. I already know you based on that.... And you're right that I'm not interested in engaging you further, so flame away!

Originally Posted by revcp

Spence, you've mentioned this a few times, but it's a red herring. If, as you say, a better return was reason enough for him to turn left and pull his bike from CL (and I'm not saying it wasn't), how is it that my money from 600 miles away is less green? If the seller can do what he wants, cannot the buyer so the same, especially if it is above board? A colleague's parents live in his town and she's heading down this weekend to visit. She was going to pick it up, cash in hand. We talked about that. I offered to PayPal the money to the seller if he didn't want to wait for the cash. Her parents had also offered to pick it up if he needed to get the bike out of his house earlier. That's the main reason I was frustrated. I spent time on the phone arranging things so he would not be inconvenienced, making sure all was set. I would not have wasted my time if he had spent a few moments googling Miyata 1000 before throwing up his asking price.

Originally Posted by Narhay

I'm surprised it is a surprise that an underpriced bike sat for several hours on CL in Chicago to round up a facilitator's family who "would call" later tonight, then called the next morning to find he was no longer interested in selling it for the same price. If I were a seller and had a lot of interest someone doing the deal through a third party with hours long gaps between contact falls to the bottom. I don't think this is a "seller not keeping his word" type of agreement as we don't know the other side of the story. If I waited for every flake on Craigslist that was getting into the car...well I'd still be waiting.

I would never expect a "saved from the dump" deal 600 miles away to pan out.

Originally Posted by spencewine

Just so you understand where I'm coming from, I actually bought a Miyata 610 (1986) in Chicago from 2300 miles away (SF) using my brother who lives in Chicago. And purchased a 1990 Miyata 1000LT when I lived in Chicago a couple years ago. So we have something in common in that we both own 610s and have an affinity for Miyatas. Also, you can see I have no problems with proxies. I understand the frustration - I've been the seller several times in which an "agreement" was struck and the buyer never shows. I've learned to just roll with it, it's just part of CL, unfortunately. The seller bashing is basically what got under my skin - I'm making an assumption, but when this individual figured out what they had, they probably didn't want to have the awkward, uncomfortable conversation that you're suggesting should have taken place. It doesn't make them a terrible person.

Originally Posted by Tessou

To say that I am envious is to say that the ocean is damp.

I've been looking for a 1000 and a Team Miyata for a while.