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    Peugeot ID super easy

    I cant figure it out im guessing 1990
    it has all shimano 600 and 105

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    Last edited by designation; 05-12-14 at 08:24 PM. Reason: wrong photo

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    Can we get a few more photos (drive side, details, points of attachment, decals, etc)? We don't have much to go on. The top tube cable guides look like what are on my peugeot. That's about all I can see in the picture that points that direction.

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    I sent them and email and got some photos back. They arent much better.
    I figured that the paint job would be a tell. it looks like there isnt one sticker on it from the photos.
    Thanks for your help

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    Its a repainted frankenbike
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    Yeah, as far as I can tell that's a custom paint job. Is there no SN on the bottom bracket to look at?

    For future reference, these two websites are good places to try and match a Peugeot:

    1. Cycles Peugeotl

    2. Cycles Rétro-Peugeot

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    I have seen this part and paint compliment on several pugs
    I can send another email to get maybe a serial
    like half of their fleet in the late 80's and early 90's had 2 tone gradient paint
    2 sets of braze-ons
    top cable routing
    lugged frame
    maybe cinelli stem and bar combo
    and its supposed to be quite light for steel

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    Quote Originally Posted by designation View Post
    and its supposed to be quite light for steel
    Meaningless, I've never seen a decent bike where they didn't say this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by designation View Post
    like half of their fleet in the late 80's and early 90's had 2 tone gradient paint
    Yes, although not like yours. They were bright colours, and featured large PEUGEOT text on the drop tube, and cheesy paint scribble graphics on the seat and top tubes (which I am actually working on replicating on a '90 Peugeot right now). As I recall, this trend started in '88 or '89, everything before that used the very sexy red-orange-yellow bands. By '91 or '92 the 2-tones were phased back out in favour of solid colours.

    So I can say with near 100% certainty that that is a home-done paint job, which unless you plan on stripping and replacing with the accurate paint scheme, really ruins the value of the bike, IMO.

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    Ok here are some more photos
    it is for sure a stock paint job
    the only other possibility is that it is not a pug
    look at the stamps on the components
    headset lockring is stamped frame is stamped SIMPLEX. paint chips go straight to metal
    Serial20140510_194014.jpg
    suntour chainring shimano 600 arms20140514_143712.jpg
    shimano derailleur 20140514_143733.jpg
    M5 stamp?20140514_143831.jpg
    Made in france stamp20140514_144007.jpg
    shimano 10520140514_144053.jpg
    20140514_144128.jpg20140514_144146.jpg
    SIMPLEX frame stamp20140514_144245.jpg
    shimano hubs and wolber ALPINE rim20140514_144443.jpg
    lugged20140514_144553.jpg
    downtube shimano shifters20140514_145044.jpg

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    Whatever it is... the frame is a bit older than '90. By '90 most companies had move to a unicrown fork and a more vertical dropout. The components, although not all if any original to the frame look more like '86/'87
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    Quote Originally Posted by designation View Post
    it is for sure a stock paint job. paint chips go straight to metal
    Where the paint chips go has nothing to do with it being stock. All it means is that whoever repainted it put a tiny bit of effort into it. When I paint a bike, the paint chips also go to metal because I took a weekend to take the old paint off first.

    Regarding the "for sure", well, I can tell you that it "for sure" is not a stock paint job. If you can find a single document/scanned catalogue page I will admit to having been completely wrong, but I doubt it, because I've looked through a LOT of Peugeot catalogues.

    Here are some examples of what you're referring to:

    Attachment 380523Attachment 380524

    You'll notice several differences:

    1. Brighter colours.
    2. Only 2 areas of colour. Yours uses one top tube area, then fade to tone #2 , then back to #1 at the BB. No stock paint job does that.
    3. MISSING THE HUGE PEUGEOT LOGO ON THE DROP TUBE.
    4. Also missing the the headset emblem.

    Again, if you can find ANY evidence that it's a stock paint job, I would fully concede but I am certain that this is not.

    My diagnosis still "frankenbike".

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    All of the stickers are missing
    that is why i was reaching out
    there is one still on the seat tube simply the sticker lion

    I will concede that it may not be stock peugeot paint
    i still think the bike is
    i can decal it the way it is or i could have it powder coated i guess
    i would hate to be wrong in either scenario

    if i can pin down a year of any kind or confirm in anyway other than the sticker that its a pug then ill move on the project
    Im really hoping a certain mega fan will come up with the correct answer

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    Now that I think about it, I also don't recall seeing any lugged Peugeots after 1989-ish. And before that, there are absolutely zero bikes with this paint scheme.

    Perhaps someone with a better eye for lugs can use them to confirm that it's a Peugeot, but if the decal on top of the home made paint scheme was put on DIY as well, then I actually don't see any reason the bicycle is a Peugeot at all. Anyone can repaint it and stick a decal on.

    The SN I see doesn't look like most of the Peugeot SNs I've seen. They tend to be far longer:

    Serial_number-84-2.jpg

    My last Peugeot I bought had the SN: Y003 34957.

    I might be totally wrong about this and it's just a repainted Peugeot, but I don't actually see that strong of an indication its Pug-ness.

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    Quote Originally Posted by designation View Post
    i can decal it the way it is or i could have it powder coated i guess
    If you are going to do work on it, regardless if you powder coat it or rattle can it, strip the old paint off first. It will very quickly turn to garbage if you try to do decals and more clear layers on top of the old-not-so-mint paint job.

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    I don't think I've ever seen a lugged Peugeot with that paint job. I've also not seen, or been aware of many Peugeots that used Bocama lugs. I found one reference about a Vitus 172 bike with bocama lugs. The fastback seat stays don't really point to a Peugeot of the age of anything with Vitus 172.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 20grit View Post
    I don't think I've ever seen a lugged Peugeot with that paint job.
    Yup.

    Quote Originally Posted by 20grit View Post
    I've also not seen, or been aware of many Peugeots that used Bocama lugs. I found one reference about a Vitus 172 bike with bocama lugs. The fastback seat stays don't really point to a Peugeot of the age of anything with Vitus 172.
    Yay! That was my suspicion but I don't have a good enough eye/deep enough knowledge of specific makes of lugs to confirm it. Thank you for the confirmation!

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    The bike behind ii in picture 2 in post 3 looks interesting. Step-through Steyr Clubman?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grand Bois View Post
    The bike behind ii in picture 2 in post 3 looks interesting. Step-through Steyr Clubman?
    Yup and it is quite pretty good eye
    now i still need to id this frame
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    I have the bike now and apart
    this is a neater list of the components
    i got this thing for 100 bucks

    seat tube peugeot lion crest sticker
    faded head tube sticker

    maybe based on the posts here they could be from another bike

    Cinelli bars and stem With the weird compression bolt that looks like a rolo
    stronglight a1 headset
    105 brakes all around
    shimano 42/53 rings
    shimano 600 crankarms
    ultegra derailleur
    bocama lugs
    shimano hubs and wolber rims
    2 sets of braze-ons
    internal braze-on seat tube adjuster

    and whatever i may have left out from above

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