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Old 07-08-14, 03:06 PM   #1
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Looking for lightweight C & V style silver rear rack

Something similar to this (or lengthier) without that price tag if possible. I have a pletscher on my other bike but it's a tad bit heavier than I'd like for a new build.

VO Constructeur Rear Rack - Racks - Racks & Decaleurs - Accessories

I have an Ortlieb Shopper QL2 bag which I'll be throwing on it.
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Don't know the maker, but I saw this nice vintage rack on the back of a Butler tandem.

Maybe someone can Help with an ID?

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Don't know the maker, but I saw this nice vintage rack on the back of a Butler tandem.

Maybe someone can Help with an ID?

Definitely into that
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I like my Nitto Big Back Rack. Might be a bit overkill for your needs but I like knowing I can carry just about any load on the back of my bike and not have to worry about it shifting around. These are rock solid, and beautiful to boot. Edit: Oops, just saw the part about the price tag. Never mind!



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Filzer PR-8 Seatstay Rear Rack - Mountain Equipment Co-op. Free Shipping Available

$20 shipping to the US though...
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How about this one?



69 bucks Canadian, so a bit cheaper in US dollars.

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Pletscher is still my rack of choice, because of that slick mousetrap feature.
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if your rear brake bolt is long enough, try to find one with a fixed center brake bolt mount. they look so much classier on vintage bikes than those using the seatstays. but finding an old blackburn like that is getting more and more difficult. if you do find one, they're well worth $50ish.

i don't understand why these are not more common anymore. the newer, cheaper racks will allow a center bolt attachment, but it's usually a separate purchase for the bracket, and they don't look nearly as 'clean' as the old blackburns with the fixed center mount.

also, remember that if you find an ugly one, you can polish it up like any aluminum component using sandpaper and mother's.
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...69 bucks Canadian, so a bit cheaper in US dollars.
you save $4!

only about 15 years ago, you would've saved $30.
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For most applications I would go with a Blackburn for price, weight, rigidity, and looks. A brilliant, simple, elegant design, I would say it was the first really good mass-produced rear rack. Everybody later copied it. They entered production in the mid or late 70's and would be appropriate to anything from that point forward. I bought my first one in 1977 or 78, it was the fixed center brake mount model. They had their limitations: I did a long fully-loaded tour with it and broke 2 of the 3 attachment points in the middle of Morocco. Since then I only use chrome-moly steel for serious touring-- it doesn't break, and if it does you can get it repaired at any roadside shop. But the Blackburn is great for commuting, recreational excursions, light touring, or any light-to-medium load, and I still use several. The pre-Blackburn racks, whether steel or aluminum, generally sucked. The most common were the Pletscher and Esge aluminum racks, and with any load at all they both swayed all over the place. You can feel them pulling you to the outside on a corner. There was an English steel model which looked very nice but could not handle a load either. They didn't have the triangular rear struts of the Blackburn. The French had a lot of rear racks, mostly cheap steel rod (rather than tubing) that from the looks of them are not all that rigid either. The VO chromed steel racks are well made and look good. If you want pre-bike boom classic, suck it up and lay out the 60 bucks for one of those. You'll soon forget about the extra $20 or $30 you paid, and will enjoy it for a long time.

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I've got an old rack that I pulled off a fancy French bike which is (I think) the design that the vo rack is emulating. It's NOT lightweight, but it's pretty. I haven't been able to determine the brand.

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Pletscher is still my rack of choice, because of that slick mousetrap feature.
If you have a Pletscher around, remove the springs and mouse trap and it weighs much less. I've never used the "trap" and have a pletscher modified for my next project. They can interfere with centerpulls though.
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I have a Jim Blackburn on my Miyata that came off a 1982 Fuji America. It's silver & simple, non anodized so polished up great. Vetta racks are lovely too.

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A Pletscher rack is a silly, flimsy thing and shouldn't be trusted to carry much weight.

I broke a couple of them before I realized I could do much better. If you're a sedate rider and just want a place for your windbreaker or lunch bag to ride, then one would be fine. Otherwise, get a Blackburn style rack, or one of the many that are designed after the classic randonneuring or touring racks which have two or three struts going down to the drop out on each side.
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I have a Jim Blackburn on my Miyata that came off a 1982 Fuji America. It's silver & simple, non anodized so polished up great. Vetta racks are lovely too.

Edit- have no idea why my photo uploaded upside down.
Are these lightweight? I see a few on ebay.
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if your rear brake bolt is long enough, try to find one with a fixed center brake bolt mount. they look so much classier on vintage bikes than those using the seatstays. but finding an old blackburn like that is getting more and more difficult. if you do find one, they're well worth $50ish.

i don't understand why these are not more common anymore. the newer, cheaper racks will allow a center bolt attachment, but it's usually a separate purchase for the bracket, and they don't look nearly as 'clean' as the old blackburns with the fixed center mount.
Do you mean the center brake bolt version looks better than the seat stay version, even if there's braze ons on the stays?

IMO, the OEM Blackburn racks are the best looking- the arms/stays are made for that bike and that size- moving that rack to another frame is a crapshoot, but they look the best.

IMO, the adjustable stays are fine to the braze ons, but I'd prefer the purpose built rack.

If you don't have braze ons I think the center brake bolt attachment is better than P Clamps.


Our son has an older bike with nutted brakes and no braze ons- he was looking for a rack, and Blackburn used to have an "XR-1 Cross Rack." It's kind of "Mountain Rack" built for 700C/27" bikes. It can be mounted from the center or the sides- I've had one on my Trek 400 Elance for several years. I got him one of those because you could mount it to a brake bolt, and it looked nice. Only thing is they're no longer made- so while I got mine for $22 at the LBS, I just bought his for $34 + shipping on the eBay.

As an aside- if you like the little mousetrap thingy- there was also a Blackburn XR-2 Cross Rack that had a mousetrap thingy on it.








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The Tubus Luna in polished stainless uses a monostay to the rear brake mounting bolt and weighs 435g. It's a budget buster, though.

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As far as the Old ******** racks go , World touring Ian Hibbel started outusing one ..

ran a couple Guy wires to stiffen up the lateral strength & pulled them tight with turnbuckles ..

one is selling in Cdn ******** Bicycle Rack | eBay


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The two leg Blackburns seem pretty flimsy to me compared to my 1970's three leg racks. I bought one and never installed it on anything because it seemed too flimsy for anything I'd want to carry.

Pletschers are the flimsiest of all. I don't know how they keep selling them.

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@randomguyy- the Blackburn is light. I didn't weigh it but it's light IMO. Yes bought it on auction site. Paid more in shipping than what I paid for the rack because it's bulky packaging.
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The Tubus Luna in polished stainless uses a monostay to the rear brake mounting bolt and weighs 435g. It's a budget buster, though.

A handbuilt rack in stainless or chrome steel is not going to be cheap... a lot of folks have no idea how much work goes into building them and by many standards that luna is a pretty simple design with a minimum of joints.

Chrome plating has greatly increased in cost and most folks ask for powdercoating here which can always be touched up.

The simple rack on my wife's Peugeot took an evening to build... it is chromoly and despite only having two stays it supports a Carradice shopping bag rather well. I modelled it after the old style Peugeot racks which are pretty but all to light and flexible because they are made with wire rod and not tubular.

When I take the frame in for powdercoating I will integrate the rack into the frame which really stiffens things up and have it colour matched to the bicycle.



The Portage rack on my Pugsley weighs 800 grams but is a double railed, expedition worthy piece of kit.



I still have some vintage Blackburns on my touring bike... I could build custom but they have been serving me rather well for a long time.
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A Pletscher rack is a silly, flimsy thing and shouldn't be trusted to carry much weight.
Right, cuz they're not meant to carry much weight

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Sigh....I'm sedate.........The reality is you need to match the rack to the purpose, each one, Pletscher included, works just fine if kept within the parameters of it's design


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The Tubus Fly is similar to the Luna, but is chromoly tubing instead of stainless steel, is significantly cheaper than the Luna, comes in black or silver, and at 400g it weighs less than the Luna. Rated load capacity is 18kg.

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I know that the OP isn't necessarily into making a rack, but I post this because, in making one, I think I realized what I value in a rack: sturdiness, lots of attachment options for different types of luggage and lighting, a "vintage" look, and an "integrated" look/fit with the bike. Not that I accomplished any of that here...

I made this one for my '85 Miyata touring bike. Made some rings for for the hooks on the old Cannondale panniers I have, added a tab for a taillight, and also included a threaded boss so I can attach it to the rear fender. TIG'd up out of aluminium rod, then polished. If anything, it's too light. I'll have to see how it holds up. It's modeled after some of the old Meral racks I've seen online. Just a first try, it'll probably implode. Please forgive the lousy phone pics, and good luck finding a rack you like to the OP. I have a VO front rack that's served me well, FWIW.




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If you don't have braze ons I think the center brake bolt attachment is better than P Clamps.
that's what i mean.
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