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    Help dating vintage ladies' Frejus

    Ask and you shall receive! Thanks to everyone who responded to my previous thread about the rarity of ladies' Frejus bikes. One of you lovely bikeforums members contacted me with one available. How great is that?? However, I'm having trouble dating it. It looks to be a lower end model (no campy, no cutout on the seat cluster, less fancy fork crown) and the serial number is stamped under the bottom bracket instead of on the seat tube. No tubing label, a cottered crank, Huret and Frejus components, but a real headbadge instead of a decal. I guess my questions is, did all the frames have the cutout on the seat cluster, or was it only the higher end models? Can anyone help me put these details together to estimate a date? It's still got that wonderful Frejus style, and I think it would clean up pretty nicely, especially with some upgrades. Thanks!

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    Congrats! nice find. Something about eh wheel reflectors (if original) makes me think 'early mid '70s but I could be wrong.

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    The crank Are you sure it is Frejus or does it say Legnano
    Do your brakes say Universal on Both sides?

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    The four digit serial yikes..
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    Well, it does have an E. Bozzi sticker on it so it is no earlier than when Bozzi bought out Frejus. Early 70's ?

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    rootboy, I thought they weren't doing headbadges then, but decals.

    kc0yef, the 4 digit serial number is VERY mysterious to me! What year is yours? I don't think I have a close-up pic of the crank; though according to the owner, all parts are either Huret or Frejus. The brakes do say universal on both sides. It's kind of a conundrum. And check out this weird hole in the seat cluster. I don't get it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mlle_Mel View Post
    weird hole in the seat cluster. I don't get it.
    Better flow for brazing material lol
    No idea what year is mine...
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    Quote Originally Posted by rootboy View Post
    Well, it does have an E. Bozzi sticker on it so it is no earlier than when Bozzi bought out Frejus. Early 70's ?
    Soon after WW2 Bozzi bought it from the Ghelfi brothers.

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    Bianchi bought from the Bozzi estate in the early 1980s.

    Judging by the aluminum headbadge, I'd say late 70s, early 80s before the sale. And no, not all Freji have the seat cluster cut out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mlle_Mel View Post
    And check out this weird hole in the seat cluster. I don't get it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kc0yef View Post
    Better flow for brazing material
    It lets you visualize where the brazing material has flowed, and thus minimize any void areas.

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    I'm the owner of this Frejus. All I really know is that I saw a beautiful bike a few years ago and bought it immediately. I haven't been able to figure much out since then and haven't really had the time. I've ridden around town a little just for fun but that's it. I got it right at the beginning of a Masters program and now that I'm graduating I can give it a little more TLC. Also, I'm not a bike expert... at all...

    Cleaning some grime off today I found this logo on the pedal. Any thoughts?
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    Since emailing with Melanie I had a burst of polishing/cleaning energy. Here's how she's cleaning up with a simple once over. you can also catch a glimpse of my late 30's Elgin back there...
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    Neat bike. Are the brake levers branded Frejus on the back side?

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    Yes.
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    Also on the hub:

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bianchigirll View Post
    Congrats! nice find. Something about eh wheel reflectors (if original) makes me think 'early mid '70s but I could be wrong.

    I was thinking early to mid 70's.

    +2 Nice find.

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    gwilkin3, this is the perfect place to find out more about your bike, obviously. Thanks again for answering my Frejus call!

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    Quote Originally Posted by gwilkin3 View Post
    My bike was found with these bars on it. The original owner wanted an upright bike.


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    Here is my woman's Frejus, originally purchased from Wastyn Schwinn in Chicago. I do not know the year. It has a white plastic simplex rear derailleur which I associate with 1960's bikes? It does seem to be a lower end bike,having some similarities to the bike in the original post. It has nice aluminum Frejus fenders. It was very dirty when I got it but cleaned up well.
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    May be lower end but that is a beauty, Schwinnderella. Looks like the Legnano green.
    Those fenders themselves are worth a pretty penny.
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    Awesome!

    But your green grips ... maybe bone grips instead?


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    rootboy, I really love those "condorino" townie handlebars. schwinderella, love that green! Have you added it to the serial number registry on classicrendezvous.com? Does your frame have a tubing company label? What size frame is it? I love seeing everyone's Frejus bikes! Thanks to everyone for sharing and giving info.

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    Quote Originally Posted by iab View Post
    Awesome!

    But your green grips ... maybe bone grips instead?

    That is the way I got it,I have always wondered if the bars,stem, levers,and grips were not original and perhaps should have the style shown on the bike in the first post.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rootboy View Post
    May be lower end but that is a beauty, Schwinnderella. Looks like the Legnano green.
    Those fenders themselves are worth a pretty penny.
    As I mentioned in my original post the bike was very dirty when I got it and I bought the bike for the fenders which I knew were good stuff. After a quick bath and some cleaning I decided to leave it as is.

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    On the bars, I think probably so but, if that is a 70's bike, the shop may not have had access to the old Italian bars and, well, it was a Schwinn shop, after all. Those look like the bars they put on many Schwinns. Very pretty bike. I agree with Iab on the bright green grips but it's a small quibble. Bone or white would look better, imo. Do you happen to have a pic of the embossed brand on the fender? I woul;d like to see what it looks like, if you do.

    By the way, just one unsolicited tip. Put a dab of red or blue Locktite on the ends of those fender stays. One of my little elongated acorn nuts rattled loose on a ride and was lost. Impossible to find, so I had to make one. Which wasn't all that easy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mlle_Mel View Post
    rootboy, I really love those "condorino" townie handlebars. schwinderella, love that green! Have you added it to the serial number registry on classicrendezvous.com? Does your frame have a tubing company label? What size frame is it? I love seeing everyone's Frejus bikes! Thanks to everyone for sharing and giving info.
    No indication of tubing,I do not recall the frame size.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rootboy View Post
    On the bars, I think probably so but, if that is a 70's bike, the shop may not have had access to the old Italian bars and, well, it was a Schwinn shop, after all. Those look like the bars they put on many Schwinns. Very pretty bike. I agree with Iab on the bright green grips but it's a small quibble. Bone or white would look better, imo. Do you happen to have a pic of the embossed brand on the fender? I woul;d like to see what it looks like, if you do.

    By the way, just one unsolicited tip. Put a dab of red or blue Locktite on the ends of those fender stays. One of my little elongated acorn nuts rattled loose on a ride and was lost. Impossible to find, so I had to make one. Which wasn't all that easy.
    I do not have a picture of the embossed brand but it looks like the one in this poor picture ebay auction. Looks like a reasonable deal on the fenders too.
    Frejus Fender Rear Mudguard Guardes de Boue Never Used Take Off Nice w Shop Wear | eBay

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    MillMel; re; "It's still got that wonderful Frejus style, and I think it would clean up pretty nicely, especially with some upgrades. Thanks!"

    I would strongly agree with cleaning it up well and replacing consumables (tires, cables, pads) with period correct items.

    But I would strong disagree with upgrading it. Nothing ruins the value and appeal of a classic bike faster that changing it or jamming on newer components. It is the fastest way to transform a $500 classic into a $20 Craigslist candidate.

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