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Old 07-15-14, 07:15 PM   #1
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what do i have here? another scrap bin find..

pulled this beauty out of the scrapper last weekend and i finally got around to taking pics of it.
it had suntour vgt rear and couldn't make out the front, but it said suntour on the clamp
stronglight crank, with the 22.2 whatever bolt, so thats staying, and a nice intact pair of barcons

it also had a really cool bell and a vintage cateye computer with a cadence sensor.

i can't figure out what it is, i took some pics to see if anybody has a clue, i can't find a SN anywhere its been painted with a thick paint so i couldn't make anything out on the dropouts or the bb.

i did notice some chrome poking through on the fork crown, so that may give you some clue

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Old 07-15-14, 07:23 PM   #2
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The chainrings look like Stronglight 49A in a triple. French? What's the threading on bottom bracket fixed cup? Digital calipers? Measure seatpost & quill stem. I believe French quill will be 22.0 vs 22.2, at least for some time. Not sure, but I think late '70's early '80's switch to standard, at least Motobecane. Not saying it's Motobecane, but wondering if it's French, due to crankset.
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Old 07-15-14, 07:32 PM   #3
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my first thought is that it is french too, because of the crankset and the headset says "made in france" i can't make anything else out, i haven't pulled off the stem or the seatpost yet either,
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Perhaps French, with the SunTour derailleurs aftermarket replacements for failed plastic Simplex derailleurs? What's the BB and steer tube thread?
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Gitane: those stay ends, the dropouts (Simplex with "finger" ) and the forkcrown all point that way.
Might be a European model since those rack eyelet braze-ons are not standard issue USA.
Tell us the ODs of the 3 main tubes, then the seat post size, last the BB threading.
I think the DO on drive side has been modified with a standard (Campy) hanger brazed-on...same thing done to MY Gitane TdF years ago...
OK I'm not 100% about it being Gitane, but pretty sure it IS French!

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Old 07-15-14, 09:50 PM   #6
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Cool crank, very cool pedals. How about a full bike pic?
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Gitane: those stay ends, the dropouts (Simplex with "finger" ) and the forkcrown all point that way.
The fork crown and stay ends has me thinking it's a Gitane, too.

Can someone help me identify my mystery bike?
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didn't have time lastnight to take any more pictures, my german shepherd has been sick so i've been keeping a close eye on her. thanks for all the input, not sure what to do with this frame, its intact, but its not my size and i don't know if i want to strip it or not
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I'll agree with the Gitane theory. Pre 72?
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what should i do with this frame, im not familiar with gitane so i don't really have a clue as to if this thing is worth keeping around
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It is interesting to me that it seems to have the derailleur stop and, apparently, a threaded hole in the hanger. Did Simplex ever do that? Maybe so. But the 71 and later Simplex dropouts built for Simplex derailleurs certainly had no stop notch. But then, I know very little about these.

Is it your size? Might be a good candidate for a refinish. They're nice riding frames.
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It is interesting to me that it seems to have the derailleur stop and, apparently, a threaded hole in the hanger. Did Simplex ever do that? Maybe so. But the 71 and later Simplex dropouts built for Simplex derailleurs certainly had no stop notch. But then, I know very little about these.

Is it your size? Might be a good candidate for a refinish. They're nice riding frames.
nope not my size, already have way too many bikes to store anyway
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Well then, might as well per it up on the FS section. You mention chrome on the fork crown. Any evidence on the lower half of the fork blades? Could be a TdF model.
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It is interesting to me that it seems to have the derailleur stop and, apparently, a threaded hole in the hanger. Did Simplex ever do that? ....
I thought the same thing! But I wasn't the first:

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Stronglight 93 crankset and Lyotard Berthet pedals. Those are nice.
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I thought the same thing! But I wasn't the first:
Oops. I missed that, RHM, thanks. With apologies to Unworthy1. Now that I look at that fuzzy pic, it does indeed look brazed on. Go figure.
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too bad its all french threaded so i have no use for them
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Are there threads in the derailleur hanger?
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yes derailleur hanger is threaded, it had suntour mech, no simplex to be found, i did notice last night that the seatpost is campy, 25.4 its missing a piece, its also been shimmed and the seatpost bolt is some weird hex size that doesn't fit any metric or standard allen wrench.. the headset is brand is "light" something i couldn't make it out , the other side of it says made in france. there is chrome on the chainstays and on the fork drop outs.. it also has a black panel on the seat tube that may be original
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Well, crikey. That hanger doesn't exactly look welded on, does it? Is anything stamped on them? Those "fish mouth" stay ends are distinctive. Anyone seen those on Gitanes? I have only seen them on Motobecanes but I know relatively little about this stuff.
Head set could be Stronglight? A close up pic would help. Sure the seat post isn't stamped 26.4? That would make more Frenchsense but, anything is possible. 25.4 might account for the shim.The plot thickens, as they say.
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too bad its all french threaded so i have no use for them
You might consider keeping them with the frame if you're planning on passing it along.
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my german shepherd has been sick so i've been keeping a close eye on her.
Best wishes to you and your dog. Our Greyhound has been really sick- 4 days in the hospital and after 2 1/2 weeks he's starting to come around to pretty much normal. He's still not 100%, but he's apparently in great shape for what he went through.
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Best wishes to you and your dog. Our Greyhound has been really sick- 4 days in the hospital and after 2 1/2 weeks he's starting to come around to pretty much normal. He's still not 100%, but he's apparently in great shape for what he went through.
thanks for the nice thoughts, she is starting to come around too, we've been feeding her brown rice, also we bought some GNC probiotic digestive health for dogs. that seemed to have done the trick. it was only diahrea nothing else, she still loved to play and run, just had to go a thousand times a day.
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You might consider keeping them with the frame if you're planning on passing it along.
yes thats the plan, measured the frame, top of the seat tube to bottom of bb is 56cm, so its on the short side for me.. i wish it hadn't been painted, there are regular stick on letters (stuff you would use for your mailbox) on the down tube that spell out "there and back again"
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"there and back again"

Ha. That's wild.
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