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    What would Jesus do (with a 1972 Centurion Super LeMans in bad shape)?

    My friend bought what appears to be a '72 Centurion Super LeMans from a now defunct LBS for $150. It was "overhauled" by the owner (who somehow missed the ultra-stretched chain) and given new (but cheap) tires. Seems to have been lubed and it works properly - a "ready to ride" bike.

    He no longer wants it and wants to sell it...

    The problem is getting any kind of $$ back out of it. The frame's paint job it completely shot. It was an entry-level bike made with gas-pipe tubing (1020 hi-ten IIRC). The only thing going for it is the functional and original groupset. SunTour barcons are part of the package, but they are far from "minty fresh" (as you can see in picture #7 below.

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    We live in NW Montana two hours from the nearest college town where you can only begin to smell hipster in the air. Locally an '85 Centurion LeMans in good shape can't move for $150 (it has been offered multiple times this summer).

    If it were my bike, I were sentimental about it and wanted to keep it, I'd have it media-blasted and powder coated. But he has no attachment to it and just wants $$ out of it. My inclination is to try and get $100 for it, or part it out on eBay (problem is I'm not a seller on eBay and only have a 100% positive purchasing record).

    So what would Jesus do?

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    If I were Jesus, I would let it pass.

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    I don't think you would get enough out of the bike by parting it out to really merit the extra work. Other than the barends, which I would consider pulling and selling seperately if you a set of stem or DT's handy to put on the bike, most of the components a pretty basic and not heavily sought after. I would probabley replace the rusty chain with a basic new one less than $10 clean it up a bit mainly treat the surface rust and try to sell it for $130-140 locally. it is a fairly nice bike and a little rough but ready to ride would sell for $150-200 fairly easy in a better market.
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    Since Centurians are Rome he would render unto Ceasar what is Ceasars. they have a cult following put it on CL...
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    jesus would break it down, prime and rattle can it, sell the barcons and add cheap dt shifters, add good looking bar tape, then either use it as his barhopper or sell it to someone in need.

    it does look big though, and jesus was only 5'3", so maybe he would pass...

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    Given your assessment on local market, I don't see it bringing anywhere close to $130, AFTER being refurbished. Call it tuition, buying something without knowing the market. I have made similar mistakes, but add a few zeros after it.

    I'd sell as is locally for around $50 or donate it as Robbie suggested. If you are industrious, you could part it out, you have some cleaning and rust treatment to do first (read up on oxalic acid). You might get $150 out of a part out. Is it worth it? What is your time and effort worth?

    As a frequent seller on ebay, selling on ebay is a lot of work and nothing is automatic. IMHO, people that have not sold on ebay underestimate the work involved. Once you get established and sell routinely on ebay, it gets easier.

    +1 to below, also do not underestimate the time it takes to clean and polish parts.
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    Well for expample it takes me about 2hrs work to pull diassemble clean and reassemble and list sell a VX RD on Ebay for $30-40 which usually takes about a month. I occasionally rebuild and sell small parts on Ebay in my spare time, but if I have much else to do with my time stuff will often sit in boxes in my closet for months before I get around to it.

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    Jesus pretty much walked and rode animals, so He'd probably wonder what that thing was.
    The Centurion wouldn't have had much to do with Him unless the sanhedrin wanted Him out of the way.

    I'd sell it or give it away. It may be worth more given away, intangibles being what they are.
    I've wasted more money than that on bike-ish giveaways. Didn't hurt me at all, helped most.

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    If your friend doesn't want it, and you don't want it, I'm not so sure either of you really believes it would be ethical to sell it to someone else for $150. His 100% feedback might also suffer. The original purchase price and condition are what they are, but that's water under the bridge. He should let it go for whatever he is offered and move on, rather than looking for a nice stranger to bail him out of his buying mistake. Live and learn.
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    jesus rides bmx anyway. everybody knows that.


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    Mucho good advice.

    I had seriously considered buying his barcons to go on my ~'79 Raleigh Super Grand Prix (which should have them but doesn't) and swap out the bolt-on DT shifters. Same era SunTour equipment so it should play nicely. (I don't really think people are trolling C/L locally for barcons so I can't imagine it harming the sale value.) Is $30-$40 fair for barcons in this condition?

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    ^ they're easy to overhaul. once done, $35 is on the cheap side.

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    I am not sure what Jesus would do, but 40 years ago the standing joke among a few of my cycling pals was that "God rides a white Masi." Whenever we would encounter a gent on a white Masi, I could always count on someone to say, "Well, the bike is the real thing, but I don't think the rider is."
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    Quote Originally Posted by mountaindave View Post
    Mucho good advice.

    I had seriously considered buying his barcons to go on my ~'79 Raleigh Super Grand Prix (which should have them but doesn't) and swap out the bolt-on DT shifters. Same era SunTour equipment so it should play nicely. (I don't really think people are trolling C/L locally for barcons so I can't imagine it harming the sale value.) Is $30-$40 fair for barcons in this condition?
    I have found that except for touring bikes, local buyers don't care for bar end shifters. Many would prefer STEM shifters over bar ends! On a bike of this level, I would probably just put stem shifters on it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eschlwc View Post
    ^ they're easy to overhaul. once done, $35 is on the cheap side.
    Thanks @eschlwc. Good to know about Jesus and BMX BTW

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    Whatsoever you do to the least of my brothers...

    Give it to someone who needs a bike. Talk to the local homeless shelter or Salvation Army to find out who tthat is.
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    Also I'm I the only one who almost cringes seeing the full under the grab on's setup of the barends which creates 3 additional steap bends basicaly defeating the performance of these nice precision shifters.

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    If it were mine to give away, I would. I'm just trying to help a brother salvage a fair price. I'm going I offer to swap out the Barcons and pay him for them and then do the best we can with the rest.

    Thanks all for the advice... and the scriptures

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    Quote Originally Posted by mountaindave View Post
    Mucho good advice.

    I had seriously considered buying his barcons to go on my ~'79 Raleigh Super Grand Prix (which should have them but doesn't) and swap out the bolt-on DT shifters. Same era SunTour equipment so it should play nicely. (I don't really think people are trolling C/L locally for barcons so I can't imagine it harming the sale value.) Is $30-$40 fair for barcons in this condition?
    For low usage 72/73 Suntour Barcons $30-40 is on the low end.

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    Repaint and thin not.
    Having a flat tire as part of the total cycling experience is highly overrated. Knowing how to fix one quickly is not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mountaindave View Post
    So what would Jesus do?
    The sweet baby jesus or jesus in a tuxedo tee shirt on stage with lynyrd skynyrd?

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    Seeing how none of the other C&V clergy have weighed in on this little faith/bike discussion,

    Jesus could not have ridden a BMX! BMXing is for kids! He didn't start his ministry until he was 30 years old.

    Jesus would have ridden a fat tired mountain bike set up with racks and fenders for rando-ing all over Judea, Galilee, Samaria and Lebanon. Jesus and his disciples were up and down the mountains, in and out of the wilderness, trekking along the seashore, single tracking it across the countryside, and cruising into the middle of Jerusalem, all in order to spread the Word! Fat tire MTBs with practical accessories would have been perfect for the terrain of ancient Palestine.

    Come on guys and gals in C&V land, get real Jesus had to have ridden a fat tire, low geared, MTB. This is WWJD.
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    OP, get the barcons. Make the bike ridable but no more, and either donate it or sell it cheaply.

    Quote Originally Posted by pastorbobnlnh View Post
    This is WWJD.
    I thought it was WWED?
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    The Catholic Church would say Jesus rode Italian bikes of course. They often get it wrong so........

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    Quote Originally Posted by iab View Post
    The sweet baby jesus or jesus in a tuxedo tee shirt on stage with lynyrd skynyrd?
    I was thinking 8 pound, 6 ounce baby Jesus...

    Quote Originally Posted by pastorbobnlnh
    Come on guys and gals in C&V land, get real Jesus had to have ridden a fat tire, low geared, MTB. This is WWJD.
    Isn't this Jesus spreading the word: "drop into thy bars and shift into other gears as you would have others shift"?

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