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    Which roadbike (not vintage, but relevant I think)

    Hi!

    I have been MIA for quite some time and have been happily riding my Nishiki mixte which I jazzed up with a Shimano 600 arabesque groupset from randyjawa (i am guessing pics are somewhere in my post history).

    So, fast forward a few years of happy riding and I decided to do 160kms this weekend. On my Nishiki. On my Brooks Flyer S. Ow. Ow, is all I can say! So I swore I would never ride any distance on that (beautiful, but not built for speed) bike.

    So now I am going to get a road bike. I had an early 90s or late 80s Bianchi which didn't work for me (square geometry doesn't work for tiny legs/looong torso) so I have to go modern. Maybe this post should really go into the road forum, but I don't want to seem like too much of a newb.

    I have been offered a barely used (1 summer riding) 2007 Giant TCR Advanced 0 with a shimano 105 groupset from a friend at a decent price, but am worried that I either won't be capable of riding that beast and/or will seem like an idiot riding such a nice bike. Would you get this or save $300 and get a new bike with a 105 groupset? I wouldn't save much money but the beginner-on-a-good-bike thing would be better.

    I considered getting something like a SOMA smoothie and building it up, but then realized I should probably go big or go home in terms to roadbike-ness.

    What say you, C and Vers?

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    TCR is a nice bike, is it too big for you? I think if it fits it will be your "go to" bike.
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    If the bike being offered fits it would work well for longer distances. The full Alu build may be stiff for long distances but that nothing that a set of larger tires and a good saddle won't fix. You can buy the Giant and save up for a the Smoothie frame set and move the parts over.
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    TCR should fit with the slopiong top tube. Its full carbon though, not alu. I am a bit scared about this aspect

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    I wouldn't be scared of it. Being carbon will give it a much better ride for distance. Take it for a 20 mile test ride and then see how you feel.
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    Robbie says "fit first." If the TCR fits, good bike. Simple as that.

    Some older bikes have the kind of fit you want, but not a lot.
    Older Eddy Merckx come to mind, and while they're nice, I'm not sure I'd do 160K on a 1977 Merckx, even if the seat tube is 50cm and the top tube is 55cm.

    Modern sloping top tube geometry benefits the shortleg/longtorso build better than anything else I've seen, and bike designers know that.
    If I had one your size, I'd make it available as pain-free as possible, but I shore'nuff do not.

    I always said I wouldn't have a sloping top tube bike, but here I am, with two, and it appears they've not cost me my C&V membership or my street cred.
    I always said I wasn't much for carbon bikes, but here I am, with two, and it appears......you get my drift.

    So go for it, and glad to have you back in the nuthouse.

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    How much riding had you done before the 160km ride? You can through enough money at a bike to buy one of the crap box F-35s but if you don't ride a lot your still going to have sore arms, neck and bum. I started riding last month after a almost a two year lay off and I still get sore.


    That being said I would agree if the price is right and the fit is good go with the Giant. As stated in the long run if you don't like the ride you can look for a steel or Ti bike to swap the parts. I had a carbon bike built up and didn't care for the ride, I may try it again though just to be sure.

    this is nice looking but I agree she doesn't look built for distance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RobbieTunes View Post
    I always said I wouldn't have a sloping top tube bike, but here I am, with two, and it appears they've not cost me my C&V membership or my street cred.
    jury still out... j/k
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    I love the classic and vintage bicycles. They evoke warm feelings and fond memories. C&V bikes can be luxurious is the smoothness of their ride. But... my daily rider and my back-up/rain bike are both modern bicycles.

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    Fit is king.

    No one ever feels bad about riding a nice bike once they are riding it, bigger problem is cheek pain from the smile

    105 is good stuff

    what is the save $300 and buy new option?
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    Quote Originally Posted by squirtdad View Post
    Fit is king.

    No one ever feels bad about riding a nice bike once they are riding it, bigger problem is cheek pain from the smile
    That's funny. I always feel like I have this big dumb grin on my face whenever I am out on one of my steeds, except when huffing and puffing up a hill. Ever see a guy on a motorcycle smiling?
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    Quote Originally Posted by squirtdad View Post
    Fit is king.

    No one ever feels bad about riding a nice bike once they are riding it, bigger problem is cheek pain from the smile

    105 is good stuff

    what is the save $300 and buy new option?
    Thanks for everyones replies! The cheape option is most probably a Fuji with 105 and disc brakes. Also a nice option. However, the "save $300" doesn't include pedals etc which would come with the giant.

    That said, a local friend (who runs a bike shop) reckons that carbon bikes are really coming down in price and 2007 is a pretty old bike for the price.....obviously he is biased but I think he would give me his honest opinion.

    so torn. the giant should be here next week for me to try.

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    That is a beautiful and looks like a well-thought out bike! But, yeah, I could see that getting kind of... crampy after about 8 miles.


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    Quote Originally Posted by RobbieTunes View Post
    Robbie says "fit first." If the TCR fits, good bike. Simple as that.

    Some older bikes have the kind of fit you want, but not a lot.
    Older Eddy Merckx come to mind, and while they're nice, I'm not sure I'd do 160K on a 1977 Merckx, even if the seat tube is 50cm and the top tube is 55cm.

    Modern sloping top tube geometry benefits the shortleg/longtorso build better than anything else I've seen, and bike designers know that.
    If I had one your size, I'd make it available as pain-free as possible, but I shore'nuff do not.

    I always said I wouldn't have a sloping top tube bike, but here I am, with two, and it appears they've not cost me my C&V membership or my street cred.
    I always said I wasn't much for carbon bikes, but here I am, with two, and it appears......you get my drift.

    So go for it, and glad to have you back in the nuthouse.

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    So now you've gone all modern, changing your avatar to all money... what happened to the sweet C&V Robbie we used to know...



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    Quote Originally Posted by The Golden Boy View Post





    That is a beautiful and looks like a well-thought out bike! But, yeah, I could see that getting kind of... crampy after about 8 miles.


    Best of luck.
    LOL, yes. Since that pic a bit has changed and it now looks like this:


    But dirtier!

    I don't have a problem with mileage on vintage road bikes, but I now know from experience that they don't fit me well enough. Boo hoo.

    I should probably add here that the main use for the bike will be zipping around town sportily (when I don't want to look vintage-cool and use my rack) and the occasional long ride (btw, I should have been clear that the 160km this weekend was over 2 days). I do a lot of non-cycling training so I can bust out a long ride without too too much effort. The only thing that really hindered me this past weekend was my arse. ow.

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    That's a pretty short stem for someone with a long torso. I have similar proportions, short legs, long torso. My bikes all tend to have long stems. YMMV.

    As far as what to pick, its simple: the one you like the most that fits your budget.

    +10 Another person that loves vintage touring bikes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rookgirl View Post
    LOL, yes. Since that pic a bit has changed and it now looks like this:


    But dirtier!

    I don't have a problem with mileage on vintage road bikes, but I now know from experience that they don't fit me well enough. Boo hoo.

    I should probably add here that the main use for the bike will be zipping around town sportily (when I don't want to look vintage-cool and use my rack) and the occasional long ride (btw, I should have been clear that the 160km this weekend was over 2 days). I do a lot of non-cycling training so I can bust out a long ride without too too much effort. The only thing that really hindered me this past weekend was my arse. ow.

    That looks even NICER.

    I don't know what other experience you're drawing from, but the upright position on the mixte isn't necessarily a "vintage road bike" catch all. I have the "stubby leg/long torso" thing going on- and I'm just a sucker for old, laid back touring bikes. For me, I dig a semi-upright position, not "northroads" upright and not "racing aero" aggressive, and my bikes tend to allow me to do that.

    Get the bike that appeals to you and fits- I guess I wouldn't base the "vintage roadbike" fit on the mixte and a bike with race-y geometry.

    Something like an 80s Schwinn Voyageur would be a fantastic bike- I have a Voyageur SP- and check out forum member @VeryNot 's chrome Voyageur: John's Bicycle Restorations: Shelly's Schwinn Voyageur 11.8 Chrome Restoration and Mod
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    One option worth looking into is an Ironman, since they have longer top tubes than seat tubes. Based on eyeballing your mixte, the correct size might be 53cm CTC on the seat tube, which if I recall correctly means a top tube of 55cm CTC. If that's wrong I'm sure Robbie will correct me.

    With regard to the Merckx comment, seems to me someone rode an early one almost 300km in three days earlier this month without experiencing any discomfort...
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Golden Boy View Post
    ...I guess I wouldn't base the "vintage roadbike" fit on the mixte and a bike with race-y geometry...
    I agree - and I think that if you're inclined to possibly throw down 160km over a weekend, it might be worthwhile to invest in a professional bike fitting. You can always adjust from there, and you can use the measurements across different bikes. But it might help you figure out just how long a top tube / stem combo you should be seeking.

    And here's a bit of an oddball option - if you like classic/vintage style but you're considering a newer bike, you might want to look at the Electra Ticino. It's intended to have a classic look, and while they intend it for a more upright riding style, I believe it's got a comparatively long top tube - so with the right handlebars it might let you stretch out.
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    Oh no! The options, the options!

    But the reality is that I should probably think pretty long and hard before dropping $1300+ on a bike.

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    Heck, throw a longer stem, some drop bars, and a touring saddle on your Mixte, get the fit right, and you could do a 160 km ride no problem.
    I have the right number of bikes, I just don't have all the right ones quite yet.

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    Advanced 0 would have been full Dura Ace, maybe this? 2007 Giant TCR C3 - BikePedia
    That would be an $8-900 bike.
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    tiny legs/looong torso = Lemond

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    Quote Originally Posted by curbtender View Post
    Advanced 0 would have been full Dura Ace, maybe this? 2007 Giant TCR C3 - BikePedia
    That would be an $8-900 bike.
    Iy id the Advanced 0 frame, yes. My friend who has it worked at a bike shop and they stripped the dura ace off it and replaced it with 105 (someone else who worked there wanted dura ace on a different frame, apparently). So it is a super good frame, but with only 105 components. I am now leaning towards the fuji or maybe a cervelo with 105 (can get a good deal) if I can raise the extra funds.

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