Does modern steel ride "better" than CV steel?
08-03-14, 08:06 PM
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I like a ham & cheese sandwich made the following way:
Very thinly sliced, Smithfield ham
Thinly sliced Imported Swiss cheese
Spicy Brown Mustard
Seeded (Caraway) Rye bread
Nice Garlic-y dill pickle on the side.
Maybe some chips as well.
NO MAYO! NO TOMATO! NO LETTUCE!
I think my sandwich is the "best."
Very thinly sliced, Smithfield ham
Thinly sliced Imported Swiss cheese
Spicy Brown Mustard
Seeded (Caraway) Rye bread
Nice Garlic-y dill pickle on the side.
Maybe some chips as well.
NO MAYO! NO TOMATO! NO LETTUCE!
I think my sandwich is the "best."
08-03-14, 08:11 PM
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Mainly because riding any sort of steel sucks. Somewhere in here you said you had a 19lb steel bike. A bump should shatter that frame and you'll be picking carbon steel out your ass.
Bike parts can be light, durable or cheap. They are never all three. Show me a steel part. It should be aluminum or carbon fiber. It cost twice as much and weighs half. I'll take that bargain.
Steel is an obsolete material in the manufacture of cycles. Only if you're broke. Carbon fiber is light and sweet. Aluminum with a carbon fork is the best of both worlds. I like a bike I can easily pick up with one hand.
I am absolutely sure any 19 lb steel bike you have sucks.
I could probably run any of these bikes with my full size, half weight, aluminum "Townie" Steel? Are you nuts?
Bike parts can be light, durable or cheap. They are never all three. Show me a steel part. It should be aluminum or carbon fiber. It cost twice as much and weighs half. I'll take that bargain.
Steel is an obsolete material in the manufacture of cycles. Only if you're broke. Carbon fiber is light and sweet. Aluminum with a carbon fork is the best of both worlds. I like a bike I can easily pick up with one hand.
I am absolutely sure any 19 lb steel bike you have sucks.
I could probably run any of these bikes with my full size, half weight, aluminum "Townie" Steel? Are you nuts?
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08-03-14, 08:26 PM
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Are you guys nuts? Steel is freaking heavy. And if you shave it down or make light alloys, it's freaking brittle.
Steel sucks. The nice thing about living in 2014 is materials science. I like riding a full sized bike with a fat seat and having it not weigh 25 lbs. My "Townie" would weigh 90 pounds if it was steel.
Steel sucks. The nice thing about living in 2014 is materials science. I like riding a full sized bike with a fat seat and having it not weigh 25 lbs. My "Townie" would weigh 90 pounds if it was steel.
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08-03-14, 08:33 PM
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Are Certs a candy-mint or a breath-mint?
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I think you pretty much settled this matter.
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08-03-14, 08:34 PM
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Mainly because riding any sort of steel sucks. Somewhere in here you said you had a 19lb steel bike. A bump should shatter that frame and you'll be picking carbon steel out your ass.
Bike parts can be light, durable or cheap. They are never all three. Show me a steel part. It should be aluminum or carbon fiber. It cost twice as much and weighs half. I'll take that bargain.
Steel is an obsolete material in the manufacture of cycles. Only if you're broke. Carbon fiber is light and sweet. Aluminum with a carbon fork is the best of both worlds. I like a bike I can easily pick up with one hand.
I am absolutely sure any 19 lb steel bike you have sucks.
I could probably run any of these bikes with my full size, half weight, aluminum "Townie" Steel? Are you nuts?
Bike parts can be light, durable or cheap. They are never all three. Show me a steel part. It should be aluminum or carbon fiber. It cost twice as much and weighs half. I'll take that bargain.
Steel is an obsolete material in the manufacture of cycles. Only if you're broke. Carbon fiber is light and sweet. Aluminum with a carbon fork is the best of both worlds. I like a bike I can easily pick up with one hand.
I am absolutely sure any 19 lb steel bike you have sucks.
I could probably run any of these bikes with my full size, half weight, aluminum "Townie" Steel? Are you nuts?
08-03-14, 08:38 PM
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True dat' brah. I just get all worked up when I start thinkin' about how the people eat the new, Cool Ranch flavor only because it is lighter than the the heavy, old Nacho cheese flavor.......just ain't right.....
08-03-14, 08:42 PM
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Dude - everyone knows pizza flavored combos are stiffer than brittle nachos.
08-03-14, 08:43 PM
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Oh, man, I gotta have me a Slim Jim with the plain nacho cheese. It's just so mmm...mmm... good. That's what weighs it down, though, not the chip itself.
08-03-14, 08:45 PM
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I had a fillet-brazed frame made with Champion triple-butted tubing; it had a lug on the bottom bracket. The frame was made by Terry O'sell and was a work of art. Built up, the resulting bike weighed slightly over 17 pounds without any carbon parts. It was quite lovely- rode very nice and was quite snappy and not whippy at all. It blew the doors off of a Titanium build I had that used similar geometry (by comparison the Ti frame was whippy and not particularly confidence inspiring at speed). This was American dreamwork at its finest and it broke me of any desire for carbon, which has (of all the ones I tried) a wretched ride by comparison. It really showed what a master can do with steel.That frame is 22 years old so I imagine it qualifies as vintage. It was certainly classic...
08-03-14, 09:14 PM
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Ladies and Gentlemen, Retrovision has left the building. Banned.
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I wanted to reply to his absurd comments. Instead I hit the "report post" button.