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    Hello,

    I'm new to this site, and have read a lot of great information, and have seen some awesome work that's been done to you super sports... can someone tell me if I can put shimano 105 groupset on this bike? I know its a 40 year old bike, and its probably overkill, but the frame is in beautiful condition, and I think it could last a long time.... I wanted to use this bike for century rides.....shaving weight off the bike isn't a priority... I usually ride my bike to work with an extra 30 pounds in my bags...thanks in advance for your advice and recomendations.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SirRdWarrior View Post
    Hello,

    I'm new to this site, and have read a lot of great information, and have seen some awesome work that's been done to you super sports... can someone tell me if I can put shimano 105 groupset on this bike? I know its a 40 year old bike, and its probably overkill, but the frame is in beautiful condition, and I think it could last a long time.... I wanted to use this bike for century rides.....shaving weight off the bike isn't a priority... I usually ride my bike to work with an extra 30 pounds in my bags...thanks in advance for your advice and recomendations.
    ...I see no reason why it could not be done, but it's not the bike I'd choose for Centuries that involve climbing.

    It would be a lot of work, because you have to put in the crank adapter, and probably spread and realign the
    frame to fit your 105 hubs, which are wider. 105 comes in many flavors over the years, so you need photos
    for advice. Like I said, it's a lot of work for a bike that will last forever, but is a pretty heavy frame.

    ...................Schwinn Super Sport (60's) 001 copy.jpg

    Here is the one I did with parts older than yours...BTW, Schwinn used the name on several variations,
    so again, without photos, we're just guessing about what you have and the age of it.
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    I looked at this for mine, there are some obstacles.

    1. You are pretty much looking at a frame-up rebuild. Saddle, seat post, stem, headset, and bars can stay. Front wheel and rear rim if you are dedicated to keeping them.
    2. The rear of the frame needs to be respaced to take a modern hub, which is 10mm wider than the original.
    3. You need a rear wheel with that modern hub. You can still have a 27" classy-looking wheel built with a modern hub or you can get a new wheel set which will be 700c
    4. You need a derailleur hangar. These cost a few bucks.
    5. You need a one-piece to English BB adapter. These cost about $20
    6. You need longer reach brakes. The 105 brakes are short reach for racing frames.

    Honestly it's a lot of work to put racing parts on a daily bike. But it can be done. Here's a similar example that I envy.
    @Scooper: 1973 61cm Schwinn Super Sport with 2009 Campy Comp Triple on velospace, the place for bikes
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    Quote Originally Posted by SirRdWarrior View Post
    Hello,

    I'm new to this site, and have read a lot of great information, and have seen some awesome work that's been done to you super sports... can someone tell me if I can put shimano 105 groupset on this bike? I know its a 40 year old bike, and its probably overkill, but the frame is in beautiful condition, and I think it could last a long time.... I wanted to use this bike for century rides.....shaving weight off the bike isn't a priority... I usually ride my bike to work with an extra 30 pounds in my bags...thanks in advance for your advice and recommendations.
    The frame is indestructible. Darth's list covers the bases, but you'll have to figure out the front derailleur:
    1. the seat tube is 1 3/16" diameter, between the now-common 1 1/8" and 1 1/4" clamp sizes.
    2. modern front derailleurs use a guide under the BB and bare cable. Your SS uses cable housing all the way to the derailleur. It's possible to work around this, but it'll take some finagling.

    I am part way through giving a Superior (newer, but much poorer shape) the restomod treatment. I'm kind of stalled right now (money and time issues) but I'll post photos as I make progress.
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    This is a find - a fillet-brazed Schwinn from the Chicago factory! Its a step below the top of the line Paramounts and above the electroforged Varsinentals.

    Besides the Super Sports, Schwinn made the Superior and Sports Tourer in its fillet-brazed lineup and they're desirable to collectors.

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    Thank you all for your help.... I will put up some pics soon...my bike is opaque blue, and the serial number starts with LG...I'm pretty sure that puts the bike at november of 1971.. from my understanding, blue wasn't part of the 1971 group, but 1972....what I like most about the bike is the frame...one problem that I find myself in, is I don't know what I don't know.... I am open to using older groupset, I didn't realize how much was involved for 105.... I guess what I'm looking for is to upgrade the bike with decent components that isn't a pia....

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    I think it's OK as a century bike -- weight is just not that important, unless one is racing and needs to accelerate fast or climb as fast as possible.

    If it were mine, I would use non-indexed barcons, leave the front derailleur alone, and replace the rear derailleur with a claw-mounted SunTour, Shimano, or lighter weight Huret or Simplex. Ditch the spoke protector and chain guard and drop in a 7-speed freewheel, and you should be good to go. If you want to spend more, then go the 3-piece crank conversion route, which will also let you install upgraded 9/16" pedals, such as road quills.
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    Here are a couple of pictures of one possibility: 1972 Super Sport in opaque blue (sound familiar?). Triple chainring, Suntour barcons and V-Gt derailleurs. Had to bend the cage on the front derailleur to make it fully functional with the triple, but hey, it's an all-purpose Frankenbeater (note the seat tube decal). For the record, I love the original wheel set. Hubs are still sealed and happy after all these years, and while the Weinmann rims are heavier than most alloy rims, they're also near-indestructible, as far as I can tell.





    Anyway, it's a solid bike. A previous owner toured a lot of miles on it and I have no doubt about its century-worthiness (should I ever get to that point).

    EDIT: My serial number is LG110468... how close are we?
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    Quote Originally Posted by J.Oxley View Post
    Here are a couple of pictures of one possibility: 1972 Super Sport in opaque blue...
    ...For the record, I love the original wheel set. Hubs are still sealed and happy after all these years, and while the Weinmann rims are heavier than most alloy rims, they're also near-indestructible, as far as I can tell.

    Those can't be the original hubs, they're Suntour hubs from around 1982! Yes, good hubs!

    One can buy Lyotard quill pedals with 1/2" threads, but for me the quill on these NOS pedals is too narrow for my wide feet.

    At least the stock steel chainrings on these bikes is happy with running 9-speed chain. I chose to use a 126mm 7-speed freehub in one case, with just 7 cogs from an 8-speed cassette. This made the bike index-compatible (with 10-speed Ergoshifters pulling a Shimano 9sp derailer).

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    Quote Originally Posted by dddd View Post
    Those can't be the original hubs, they're Suntour hubs from around 1982! Yes, good hubs!
    Good call on the hubs -- they are indeed Suntour. I also misspoke about the rims; they're Wolber, not Weinmann.
    I still stand by my statement that some previous owner built a fine tourer out of it.
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    3alarmer, what kind of crankset and rear derailleur are you using? I like the frankenbeater

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    Quote Originally Posted by SirRdWarrior View Post
    3alarmer, what kind of crankset and rear derailleur are you using? I like the frankenbeater
    Schwinn Super Sport (60's) 003 copy.jpgSchwinn Super Sport (60's) 004 copy.jpgSchwinn Super Sport (60's) 007 copy.jpg

    ....any square taper crankset you can come up with works if you do the conversion. I just had this one lying around.
    Of the era, the Suntour stuff works the best and is easily found with an attached hanger, usually needed.

    I used centerpull brakes because i like the way they work, had some in the proper reach.

    I think maybe I built the wheels. Mine came as a bare frame, so there was no reason not to go wild on the conversion.
    Had it been in better shape, with more of the original components on it, I might have exercised a little more reserve.
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    I did a charity ride a couple of years back on my '73 SS. Basicly a metric century a day for three days. Granted, the bike was hot-rodded a bit:



    You do your part and the bike will do its.

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    Wow...that's hard core... I did my first century on sn aluminum bike with carbon forks (2011 fuji newest 1.0), and I felt like some kicked the crap out of me.... how did you feel after your ride? I think the steel frame will be more comfortable than aluminum

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    my super sport

    has anyone seen one with the silver on it? I'm assuming it was added later...i hope i didn't buy a huffy...i'll try to send out additional pics later
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    Quote Originally Posted by top506 View Post
    I did a charity ride a couple of years back on my '73 SS. Basicly a metric century a day for three days. Granted, the bike was hot-rodded a bit:

    You do your part and the bike will do its.

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    Nice upgrades! Pastor Bob has at least one similarly upgraded Super Sport. You guys are making the SS into what it should have been, but wasn't.
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    thanks for the info 3alarmer...
    That's a nice looking bike

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    Quote Originally Posted by SirRdWarrior View Post
    has anyone seen one with the silver on it? I'm assuming it was added later...i hope i didn't buy a huffy...i'll try to send out additional pics later
    ...not a Huffy, has all the expected components and looks the part of a Schwinn.

    I think someone just masked and painted over those silver bands to cover the original model designations.
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    Quote Originally Posted by John E View Post
    Nice upgrades! Pastor Bob has at least one similarly upgraded Super Sport. You guys are making the SS into what it should have been, but wasn't.
    I took this as a philosophical statement of sorts, but then wondered, what, exactly, the Super Sport "should have" been?

    The Super Sport was and is a weird bike, not that it wasn't aimed at a market where other, almost similarly-heavy ten-speeds existed, but took an entirely different approach at this price point, just as the Varsity/Continental took quality/durability and weight to unheard-of levels in the entry-level market, while commanding relatively premium prices in the process.

    Schwinn must be given credit for doing things their own way, with rigorous testing and development, and enhanced specifications of remaining parts that they procured from overseas vendors.
    And Schwinn followed up with effective marketing.

    As a U.S. brand, the Super Sport persisted with 1/2" pedals, and their in-house bottom brackets, kickstands and headsets were of elevated durability.
    Their frames and forks were also made to heftier-than-normal standards, the better to resist flexing under heavy riders, and to better hold up to riding skills perhaps honed on an earlier generation's balloon-tire bikes.
    As such, these might best be called "stepping stone lightweights", perfect for getting into "lightweight" road riding more gradually, or for holding up to years of tough commuter service.

    But, since the rims on these were alloy, the balance of the components, such as the crankset and shifters/derailers, could have also been as such, but they left a higher price point in place for just such a slightly-different model.

    And the oddball Allvit derailer, especially the Supersport's more vertically-disposed "long-cage" model, was only odd in that nobody else seemed to spec this rather slow-shifting version, while Schwinn simply wanted to offer riders lower gearing, without the complexity of a triple.

    Lastly, the Super Sport's frame geometry angles, of the limited number of frame sizes offered, was made exactly the same as the company's premium Paramount road lineup, fully 3 degrees steeper (at 73 degrees) than the electroforged frames offered at the very next lower price levels, and this more than anything else distinguished a SuperSport from a Continental, in spite of the Continental's pounds-heavier wheelset.
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    I'll ad my version of the Super Sport. Suntour derailleurs, 6 speed freewheel, Shimano triple, Suntour barcons. I've done a couple of metric centuries on this one. Looks a lot looks top506's, in fact, we rode them together on the Cape Cod Rail Trail last year.

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    If I see a general "theme" with many of these resto-mod Supersports, it might be an "economical Rivendell".

    I tried riding mine in stone-stock condition, for both style points and economic considerations as well as the "preservation" aspect espoused by collectors of more-haughty marques.

    It quickly evolved, and I achieved a more-aggressive fit, an extra cog in back (with tighter gearing and shorter-cage allvit modified for 6-sp), a lighter (more-adjustable) seat and post, plus clipless pedals, 9-sp chain, lever hoods and a wider, standard handlebar.

    The rest I think is all stock, but with plastic housing liners slipped into original brake cable housings, Matthauser front pads, and I hand-fitted a cut-to-width layer of wide Velox tape (to prevent tire bead blow-off above 75psi with my 1-1/8" tires). I also found Tange 12-ball, #64 chromium bearing retainers for the bottom bracket, not that they were really needed.

    It's a 1971 as well:
    [IMG]005 by dddd2002, on Flickr[/IMG]
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    I'm liking mine so far near-stock. Having ridden it around a bit it's a good design for the times for what it was. I like the rando bars and the big goofy shifters and the pie plates. Mine has some giant clip pedals that work with regular shoes, which work well. I would like a few more ratios and modern freewheel teeth but the overall range is nice. I will get rid of the turkey levers, and my original derailleurs and seat were boogered, but in general I'm going to take an ain't-broke-don't-fix approach.
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    My SS is somewhat less refined than Pastor Bob's 'Sporty'.
    Speaking of the good Reverend, I've acquired his '65 Super Sport. I'll post some pictures over the next few days; it's a very different animal than the '70s bikes we've been looking at.

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