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    Gitane Super Corsa, Super Vitus 980 Lightness

    I recently purchased a 1983 Gitane Super Corsa frame and fork from forum member, mnmkpedals. Thanks Mike. I was attracted to it because of its Super Vitus 980 tubing which I knew was some of the lightest steel tubing ever made. It is 60cm, which is on the large size for me. I have a Peugeot PFN10 in this size which I really enjoy riding, so I can deal with it.

    Along with the frameset I got a good deal on a Stronglight 106 crankset, a pair of Atom 700 pedals and a Maillard Helicomatic /Mavic wheelset with skewers. I already have the wheelset trued and overhauled with new bearings and grease.
    I am planning to use a Velo-Orange French thread headset, 700 x 23 Panaracer Paselas, a French sized quill to threadless adapter stem, and a 26.6 Gipiemme seatpost. I will probably use the GB drop handlebars that came off of my wife’s little Super Course. For some reason the fork was sized for nutted brakes and the frame for recessed. My friendly LBS resized the fork for recessed brakes and removed the badly bent dropout wheelbase adjustors. They also said the frame checked out for straightness.
    This tubing is said to provide a lot of flex in larger frame sizes. I am a Clydesdale, so I will have to see how this works out for me. I am a spinner, not a masher, so I think it will be alright. I will report on my experience of it. Below are some pictures as received.

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    I'd like to hear your verdict on how it rides, but in any case, that's going to be a wonderful project, @vonfilm !
    (I did once own an '84 Pug in V980, and I don't recall it being whippy. Maybe the racers are just more atuned to it than I).
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    Quote Originally Posted by auchencrow View Post
    I'd like to hear your verdict on how it rides, but in any case, that's going to be a wonderful project, @vonfilm !
    (I did once own an '84 Pug in V980, and I don't recall it being whippy. Maybe the racers are just more atuned to it than I).
    You guys do know that not all SV 980 is the same gauge, yes?

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    Quote Originally Posted by repechage View Post
    You guys do know that not all SV 980 is the same gauge, yes?
    I did not know that. Please fill me in on the different gauges and how to tell them apart.
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    It came with a 13/21 6 speed Helicomatic cassette and I picked up a 13/26 at the local co/op. I am thinking about using a SunTour Superbe Pro RD and a SunTour Vx FD that I have on hand. This will be my flat land racer. Either that or htfu.

    I also won a great deal on a Campagnolo Record/Mavic GP4 tubular wheelset on the auction site. I may use this also in the future.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vonfilm View Post
    I did not know that. Please fill me in on the different gauges and how to tell them apart.
    Mass will be the best guess. It's weight is its weight.

    Aside from that, 26.8 seat post for the thin stuff, then 26.6. 26.4 and you are in garden variety gauge.

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    A 26.6 seat post fits mine perfectly. verktyg at gitaneusa.com said that 26.6 seat post is normal for a Gitane with Super Vitus 980.

    He says a lot of them ended up with squashed seat tubes and 26.4 seat posts.
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    The Supervitus 980 tubing IS quite flexible, and I suspect that it WILL flex quite a bit under any rider that tends to mash hard on the cranks. Heck, I never was any sort of powerhouse, but I used to be able to make the FD cage rub easily against the chain on my Peugeot PSV (56cm) on the flats by just standing on the pedals and it was pretty much normal for me to hear the same from the FD on 90% of climbs. It was just something I got used to. Otherwise, the bike is a great rider, especailly when motoring/spinning on flats and climbing, as long as you can learn to ignore the FD chain rub.
    Just a heads up, with some RD's I think the flex can cause a bit of ghost shifting if you stand on the pedal on higher gears. It did that sometimes with my NR RD, but never did with the original Simplex SX 610, nor with the Suntour Cyclone MkII and the presently Mavic 801 RD on my 84 Peugeot PSV with the same Simplex retrofriction levers used with all of them. I'm not sure why it does it with the NR RD only, so far, but it might have something to do with the upper jockey wheel distance from the rear cogs and rear triangle and BB area flex....
    BTW, the Mavic 801/851SSC RD has a cage/jockey pulley assembly that can be adjusted for height, so I am able to adjust it to be as close to the rear cogs as possible.
    Just realized I am assuming that a Gitane built from SV980 would ride exactly like a Peugeot PSV. I am totally wrong for doing so.......so only description that might apply for sure is that the Gitane SC frame will most likely be as flexible as a Peugeot PSV. Even then, only a side by side riding comparison between the two bikes in the same size can confirm this....
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    Can I use any downtube shifters on this frame or do I need Simplex?
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    looks like it'll be a fun project.
    have you had a chance to weigh the bare frame and bare fork?

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    I think you can use most shifters on it except some Shimanos that require proprietary bosses.
    Simplex retrofrictions will be perfect for the bike as long as you don't go more than 7 speeds.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chombi View Post
    I think you can use most shutters on it except some Shimanos that require proprietary bosses.
    Simplex retrofrictions will be perfect for the bike as long as you don't go more than 7 speeds.....
    Yes. The sellers on the auction site are very proud of those Simplex Retrofriction shifters.
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    That is going to be a classy bike. I hope we get to see pictures and hear stories about the build and first rides.
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    Very cool frame. I almost bought it, but it was 2cm too large for me. Hope to see how it turns out.

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    I would go with some fatter tires than the 23s you are considering. You will not regret it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CV-6 View Post
    I would go with some fatter tires than the 23s you are considering. You will not regret it.
    You are right, I would normally go with wider tires. These Mavic rims are extremely narrow though. I may get another wheelset in the future.

    I just won a Shimano 600 (6403) dual pivot brakeset on the auction site. I think I will likely use this on the bike. I have the same model brakeset on another bike and I have been very pleased with it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vonfilm View Post
    You are right, I would normally go with wider tires. These Mavic rims are extremely narrow though. I may get another wheelset in the future.
    You can easily run 25s and likely 28s. I run some 32 CX tires on old Mavic MA rims.
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    Quote Originally Posted by repechage View Post
    You guys do know that not all SV 980 is the same gauge, yes?
    Yes, there was a thicker gauge Supervitus tubeset that was used on bikes like the 80's Gitane Criterium. IIRC, it carried the slightly different tubeset model number designation of "981".......
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chombi View Post
    Yes, there was a thicker gauge Supervitus tubeset that was used on bikes like the 80's Gitane Criterium. IIRC, it carried the slightly different tubeset model number designation of "981".......
    Super Vitus 971... I first saw it on some early 70s French bikes - mainly Andre Bertins and smaller builders. SV 971 had the same wall thickness tubing as Columbus SL. It was available in both metric and inch size tubes.

    Super Vitus 971 wall thicknesses

    Main Tubes: .9mm on the butted thick ends and .6mm in the rest of the tube (note, only the top tubes and down tubes were "double butted" on almost all butted tubing).
    Head Tube: 1.0mm
    Seat Stays: .6mm or .8mm
    Chain Stays: .8mm
    Fork Blades: 1.2mm or 1.0mm from top to bottom (unlike Reynolds 531 which was thinner at the top and thicker at the bottom - same thing with Reynolds chain stays).

    Super Vitus 980 wall thicknesses

    Top Tube: .8mm on the butted thick ends and .5mm in the rest of the tube
    Down Tube: .9mm at the BB .5mm in the middle .8mm at the head tube
    Seat Tube: .8mm at the BB .5mm in the rest of the tube
    Head Tube: 1.0mm
    Seat Stays: .6mm
    Chain Stays: .8mm
    Fork Blades: 1.0mm from top to bottom

    Super Vitus 971 and 980 were made of the same high strength, low alloy steel. Even though the alloy content was lower than Columbus or Reynolds 531 tubing, Super Vitus had the same or higher strength than the other two makes because it was heat treated to make it stronger.

    Super Vitus 983 was made from a higher alloy chrome molybdenum steel. It was rated at about 20%+ higher strength than Reynolds 531 or Columbus. I've never seen any "good" specs on the wall thickness of 983 but it's lighter than Columbus SL tubing.

    Over time, the steel alloy used in Super Vitus 971 and 980 changed slightly, so did the wall thicknesses on the chain stays (Columbus increased the wall thickness on their SL chain stays too).


    I have a number of same size, similarly equipped 1980s French bikes, mostly same tires too. They have almost identical frame geometries.

    These include a 1982 Motobecane Team Champion - Columbus SL, 1984 Gitane Tour de France (2 of em') and Super Corsa (same frames - different colors) - Super Vitus 983, 1984 Gitane Team Pro - Columbus SL, 1988 Peugeot Chorus - Reynolds 753 and 1988 Peugeot Biarritz - Super Vitus 980 (2 of em').

    They all ride great and handle perfectly (for my preferences).

    In my supernumerary condition, I prefer smooth riding bikes. The two Peugeot Biarritz bikes with SV980 tubing are my ALL TIME favorite riding and handling bikes! The 1984 Gitanes with SV983 tubing are close seconds!

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    Thanks for starting this thread-- I cant wait to see how it turns out, even if it prompts regrets! Good luck.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chombi View Post
    Yes, there was a thicker gauge Supervitus tubeset that was used on bikes like the 80's Gitane Criterium. IIRC, it carried the slightly different tubeset model number designation of "981".......
    Yes, but you are missing a key element, from my direct experience on three of my French bikes, do not assume the tubing is what the tubing graphic states it is. It's there to impart a feeling for what the frame is.

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    Today I finished assembling the Super Corsa. I got another wheelset from the auction site with Campagnolo Record hubs and Mavic GP-4 tubular rims. I glued on some Vittoria Corsa Evo SC tubulars with Tufo Road tape. The brakes are double pivot Shimano 600 tricolor and the levers are Tektro RD341. The Nitto Technomic stem holds GB handlebars that came off a 76 Raleigh Super Course. The FD is SunTour Cyclone and the RD is SunTour Superbe Pro. The freewheel is a SunTour with a 23 tooth large cog. I don't know how long I will stay with this gearing, but it will work for the flat area where i take my morning ride.

    I found the NOS Look branded Gipiemme saddle and the 26.6 Gipiemme seatpost on the auction site. The tape is by Fizik and the yellow housing is some sort of bulk housing from my LBS. The pedals are the super light Wellgo WR-1. The DT shifters are Shimano 105. The headset is by Velo-Orange and the bottom bracket is Stronglight. The crankset is Stronglight 106.

    I have not had a chance to ride it yet. To follow are some pictures.
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    Looks nice stem is a bit tall.

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    The stem is set at its minimum insertion point. I have yet to adjust the seatpost or stem to myself.
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