SJX426 

Well I pulled the trigger on this one off of CL last week. Where I am posting from has issues with copying pictures from Flickr so here is the link. https://www.flickr.com/photos/112094...7646522476356/

The pics, 39 of them, are of the bike as purchased. It has lots of patina! Lots of "wrong" parts and and some interesting ones. Research is going on but @randyjawa has one too.

1. Anyone know what the head set manufacturer is? 10th picture. Magistroni? Way-Assauto (steel)?
2. How about the Campagnolo decal. Does anyone know where one could be found? Looked on ebay without success. 5th picture.
3. How does brake surface look to you in the 7th to last picture? Is is toast?
4. How does the stay to DO look to you in pic 29?
5. Is the saddle a run of the mill or something desirable. Looks like junk to me!
6. What is the Comp V FD? I think the Campagnolo clamp was applied for no good reason other than its name. - Suntour FD-1100

I know it is a pain to go to the link. Sorry, I may include pictures when I am at a more friendly PC operational environment.

rowebr

This bike was on craigslist in DC right? I was tempted to check it out but decided not to take on the project. Glad you picked it up!

3. Is that a crack or a scratch in the brake surface? If I were you, I would build new wheels using those sweet high-flange campagnolo hubs with new rims and modern spokes. Looks like some spoke nipples are rusted pretty bad, you would probably have problems trying to true and tension the wheels even if the rims were fine. From other pics it looks like you have plenty of brake reach with the existing brakes on the front to convert to 700C wheel size, but maybe not on the rear. If you want to do that I'm sure there are good options for brakes with 4mm additional reach.

4. Not great...but my guess is that its just sloppy finishing work and totally fine structurally. Certainly hope so. The same area on the drive side looks similar in the 2nd picture. Do you know if the chromed stays and fork blades are original?

Do the stem and seatpost move or are they stuck?

Looking forward to seeing more of your Bottechia project!

SJX426 

@rowebr - Yup. talked him down after several emails. There was a Ciocc listed that I just missed!

3. Don't know. I really haven't checked it out in any detail. The bike is sitting in the storage unit for now until I have more space and time. Just moved. Thought some pics would entertain me and provide direction of what to do next. I am sure Universal 61's were on there originally. I have an extra set of U61 calipers so a swap might be in order. Wheels are not too big an issue although it would be nice to salvage the rims.

4. That was my assessment as well. The workmanship is not even as good as the Colnago which isn't as good as the Pinarello! The whole bike is chrome as evidenced by the chrome under the paint chips. Yes they were originally chrome with an option of a translucent paint to highlight the chrome. The paint has a metallic appearance and should look good once cleaned. No serious rust except on parts.


Don't know about the stem or post. This will be fun. I have had to deal with those issues before. I guess that will be the first item on the list!

BTW: the big ring is a 54!

juvela

1. magistroni closed play about 1965. could be agrati or omg. in any event, it is correct/original.

original stem and bar set was first generation 3ttt record by 1973. 1972 was 3ttt turiste.

as you doubtless know, arrestors were pietra sixty-one.

the pelissier skewers someone has fitted prolly work better than the original tipos.

had a tenant in a rooming house i managed who owned one of these. they were sold by the local shop. have seen two or three others through the years.

here is a factory brochure -

GiroBrochure.jpg Photo by Vintage-Bikes | Photobucket

couple other forum threads on these here -

https://www.bikeforums.net/classic-vi...tecchia-s.html

https://www.bikeforums.net/classic-vi...drop-outs.html

suggestion - you may wish to correct the spelling of the name so that others will be able to find your thread when searching.

SJX426 

@juvbela - I can't change the title. Horrible speller.

1. Hopefully ID will be found when during disassembly.

I have a 3ttt bar and stem but from a Motobecane. Don't think it will fit. Bar is good but the stem may be too small.

The skewers are mis matched. Only the front is a Pelissier. The rear has Bloc G on the lever.

Thanks for the references. I found the brochure as well as provided by the seller.

I may move to the "Show us your Botteccia" thread.

juvela

hebbo thx1138,

wrt 1. doubt you fill find any markings. agrati did a hs of this pattern. it has no model name, just a nr. it is Art.209.3071.

rootboy 

Cool score, SJX.

Is anybody else getting ugly pop up ads while cycling through those Flickr pics? Happened to me twice today.
It sucks.

Nice bike though.

qcpmsame 

Nice score, how I lusted for a Giro when I bought my Botty Special back in 1972. That should clean up really nice and accept the components of your choice. Personally I'd love it with a NR group, save keeping the brakes. Looking forward to your after pictures and report.

Bill

SJX426 

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SJX426 

@juvela and @randyjawa - Head set appears to be a Way Assauto based on Velobase, VeloBase.com - Component: Way-Assauto (steel)'

Now that there are pictures, how about some discussion of the Campagnolo decal in the third pic above? I have not seen one like that before, but then, I probably haven't seen many compared to what this forum has seen. Did a search on ebay of offerings and couldn't come up with one. It is interesting because of the off axis tilt of the world and what I believe might be the World Championship strips across the globe. Most that I have seen have no tilt and the "rays" are not nearly as large, usualy more and smaller. Should we start a thread on just the topic of Campagnolo decals? There appear to be many and I remember a discussion awhile back but doubt I could find the thread. It was not the topic of the thread.
@rootboy - this head badge pic is for you.

juvela

fine job on the sterzo detective work.

was previously only familiar with the company's pedals.

qcpmsame 

My "72 Special had that same Campag decal on it. Granted it was for the cottered steel crank-set and Valentino derailleurs and shifters, not anything spectacular. The experts here can address the finer points of their decals history and time line. You might try Velo Base and Classic Rendezvous as well as Campy Only.

Bill

SJX426 

@qcpmsame - found a source, Campagnolo Decals For Vintage, Classic, Contemporary Bicycles amazing range!

Sir_Name 

The hammer marks(?) on the side of the stem may indicate a stuck stem. Dunno.

Perhaps the suntour is a replacement which had a clamp dia. which didn't play nice with the OD of the ST and the Campag. clamp was off of the original equipment or on-hand? I am sure there are clues which others more knowledgable than I can pick up on. Was the original group Campag. (Gran Sport)?

Nice bike - looks like a fun project.

Best.

SJX426 

@Sir_Name - good observations! Kroil may be my friend on these two post issues.

I really don't know what the group was. Documentation doesn't state but it was one down from NR.

wrk101

Kroil and a large bench vise are the first place I start. Prepare to have to cut it out, hopefully not.

Realize you can put more force on a frame attempting to remove a stem than it can take. At that point, you can ruin the frame. I definitely limit all force to the main triangle, I do not touch the stays. Goal is to get it to twist. If you can get it to twist, it will come out. Of course, strip the bike down to just the main frame triangle first. I soak it overnight with Kroil, spend maybe five minutes attempting to get it to turn, then soak it again overnight with Kroil. Don't get in a hurry. If the stem is stuck, cutting it out is more likely the outcome (but I have freed them up as well, need to brace the fork crown VERY carefully, or you risk bending the fork). If you have some cheapie steel bars, swap them out, as the bars give you more leverage (easy to bend alloy bars).

jimmuller 

So what's the consensus on the brake surface? It looks like a scratch to me. If it didn't run diagonally along the rim (that is the one in question, right?) I wouldn't worry at all. Jobst Brandt's book says you could cut the wheel into segments and the tension of the spokes would still keep them together.

Nice project.

SJX426 

@wrk101 - Good directions! I took me several days to remove the seat post out of the Pinerello Tre Cime. It was locked in with 6+ inches in the tube. I used kroil from both ends and a little heat on the post. Got it to turn slightly and worked it until the rotation was nearly 360. Then worked it back and forth as I pulled on the post with my foot on the BB. No damage to the post or frame. Almost bought a Bianchi frame set until I noticed dents on the inside of the fork legs. Suspected someone put a 2x4 between them to remove the stem.
@jimmuller - I haven't gone back to look at the rim since the picture. In fact, I noticed the "scratch" in the picture, not on the bike. Next time I am with the bike I hopefully will remember to look closer.

You guys are keeping me interested in this bike when I thought it would not get my attention for awhile! Curiosity is growing and the desire to tear it apart and clean it is almost too much to bear! I am even lookin forward to the challenges of the posts!

When I get this thing apart, what would you do? Repaint or not? Just get decals or not? Upgrade to Professional configuration or not (have the parts except the stem)?

Interesting how N+1 changes the whole approach to the frame sets waiting to be built. I was going to put my Motobecane parts on the Trek 610 and Suntour Superbe on the Pinarello Tre Cime. Now I am thinking of shifting the LC parts + to the Bot, the Suntour to the Trek. That leaves the Pin without a group. Maybe I should start looking for 600 group for the Trek and keep the Suntour on the Pin. $ are an issue otherwise I would be looking for Victory for the Pin as it was originally sold.

SJX426 

Checked today, both the stem and the post came right out without any issues. The rim looks ok but is not true. It has a slight lateral wow in one location that may be a challenge to true. The rim looks like it may have been scratched and/or hit with something. It rides very well and weights slightly under 25 LBS as pictured. Will be interesting to see the weight once the steel parts are gone and replaced with lighter AL ones. Pedals are all steel and there are extra clamps for the FD that can be removed.

When shifting, the left lever gets pulled back to go to the smaller ring.

jimmuller 

Fascinating bike story.

Is that a V-Compe I see for the FD? It's been a year or two since I saw one up close (sent my only one to the Col.) but IIRC that's what they did, worked backwards. Or maybe it was the Simplex FD that worked backwards. Haven't seen one of those in a while either.

SJX426 

@jimmuller - Well, yes it has Compe-V on the plate. The front of the mounting clamp is from a Campagnolo NR FD!

SJX426 

Little did I know when I took this picture that I would find one on CL only in blue! Note the Nevar crank. I will have to pay attention to picture content!

SJX426 

Just a slight update. Thanks to @bikemore I have nearly correct skewers and they are a matched set. The bike is still assembled and in its purchased state but the brakes, RD and FD were shot with Kroil to get them to move better. They do and the bike actually has some slowing down capability where it had none before! The rear rim has a slight wow to it but I think we can address that with some persuasion on a truing stand.

Been too busy looking for a job and helping my sister to work on any bikes. Just time to commute. Celebrating over 200 miles commuting this last month! This bike might be a great candidate for such activity!

Drillium Dude 

Ha ha - that's from when you visited (Recycled Cycles - gotta love 'em)!

The bike is beautifully made. Are you planning a full-resto someday, or going to continue to add to your impressive tally of commuting miles just the way it is?

DD

SJX426 

@Drillium Dude - It is a nice bike. I think the seat cluster is a bit ordinary but the rest of the frame features are really nice. This may be another undervalued bike or other makes are over valued! Anyway, the thinking is still to "upgrade" to Professional level with Campagnolo parts. With regard to paint, it will not be touched except clean up and rust removal, for now. Decals may be purchased to replace the ones lost so it will look closer to original. This last move is a bit dicey with which direction to go, Giro or Pro. Without a SN base to pull from, I can go either direction and still be true to the build.