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    1972 Schwinn Paramount P13

    I picked up this bike recently. Most of it seems correct and intact but a couple things I believe are replaced and want to get confirmation from some of the knowledgeable folks here.
    I believe the shifters should be Campagnolo instead of SunTour. The headset should be Campagnolo but is Falcon. Oddly it appears to have the wrong decal remnant as I believe 1972 had a different design - perhaps a replacement that also got worn out? All other decals are gone. The tape and hoods need replacing.

    So I want to make this pretty much correct without going crazy restoring it as it's generally rideable - if not viable it's not the end of the world. The prior owner and original purchaser road the heck out of this bike for decades. It's in decent shape considering the mileage.

    The serial number is H72295. The rear derailleur is Campy Record as are the hubs. The brakes are Campy. The crankset, front derailleur, the seat post, the pedals. The bars are Cinelli.

    What do you guys think?

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    I think you're going to need an ultrasonic cleaner. Can't help you with the component details. Nice chrome frame though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by likebike23 View Post
    I think you're going to need an ultrasonic cleaner. Can't help you with the component details. Nice chrome frame though.
    Yes, there is a ton of grease and dirt but not bad under it all.

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    I don't see rust anywhere! Just nice oily dirt.
    Wonderful bike.
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    Nice project, and a good find. I dig the chrome frame.

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    Great bike. Yes, the original shifters would've been Campy, but those Suntours, though they look funny, were good units.
    The Tange headset is a Campy look-a-like so doesn't look too out of place, and may be OK once you inspect it. A Campy one will set you back a 70 to hundred bucks used, or more, for a nice one. For a new one, much more.
    Some Campy rubber hoods would be nice too.

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    I don't see rust anywhere! Just nice oily dirt.
    Wonderful bike.
    I love finding a greasy bike, such a good preservative for the metals.

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    And you need new chain rings. They're totaled.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rootboy View Post
    And you need new chain rings. They're totaled.
    And a new chain also. As others have noted, the shift levers should be Campy. The rims look to be newer clincher rims; originals should be tubular Mavics. Also the proper decals will be the Olympic ring ones.
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    Plus a new Freewheel.

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    Mine didn't look that bad when I got it but the nice thing about that bike is that if the Chrome is in good shape it will clean up well. Go to Ebuy and get the decals. That's what I did and Mine looks new.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jjhabbs View Post
    Mine didn't look that bad when I got it but the nice thing about that bike is that if the Chrome is in good shape it will clean up well. Go to Ebuy and get the decals. That's what I did and Mine looks new. ...
    Yours looks fabulous.

    As for the SunTour shift levers on led's bike, I suppose they could be replacements for TwinStiks, which were an option on a few model years of Paramounts (!).
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    Dang, that is one filthy and well-used bike. Don't go look what NOS 42-tooth chain rings cost, you'll cry. Find a compact crankset that looks good, the whole thing would cost less than the ring.

    The Campagnolo shifters on my 76 did not have the friction disks of later ones and I can believe that the Suntours were a reasonable upgrade.
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    Well including the cost of gas to go pick it up I've got about $300 in the bike. It's got a nice Brooks saddle. Also the original tools and pouch. So despite the worn out condition I don't feel too bad about the purchase. Oh also came with additional set of Shimano wheels with tires - don't know anything about them. Some of the rims are Mavic.
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    You just stole a really nice bicycle, unbelievable price there. It will be very nice when you clean it up. The other resident P'mount experts will weigh in shortly. Enjoy the ride.

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    Here's the 1972 Paramount order form showing the various options available. Notice that the Twin-Stik stem shifters were an option on the P13. John E is probably right that the bike came originally equipped with the stem shifters and a previous owner converted it to Sun Tour DT shifters.

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    Yes indeed. Even with the worn out stuff, you did killer. This one will really shine when all cleaned up. And not just because it's chrome. Hard to see the decals well but it looks like this would be an excellent candidate for new ones.

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    I really appreciate all the responses! One thing that surprised me about this bike was how light it seemed. Were these considered some of the lighter bikes around back in 1972?

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    Quote Originally Posted by led View Post
    I really appreciate all the responses! One thing that surprised me about this bike was how light it seemed. Were these considered some of the lighter bikes around back in 1972?
    There were lighter bikes, but with Reynolds 531 tubing and high end Campagnolo components, the Paramounts were definitely on the light side. Schwinn published bicycle weights for 23" (~58cm) frames with pedals and saddles, and the 1973 P13-9 catalog weight was "approximately 23 pounds", but varied depending on equipment options.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Michael Angelo View Post
    Plus a new Freewheel.
    Come now Mike, you know I can turn this Regina:



    Into one that looks more like this Regina:

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    Quote Originally Posted by pastorbobnlnh View Post
    Come now Mike, you know I can turn this Regina:



    Into one that looks more like this Regina:


    I know you can, his cogs are worn out, did you see the chain rings and chain?

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    Frame looks great, and will serve as a wonderful centerpiece to whatever you end up doing. However, as others have noted, because the previous owner rode it so much there are components here that are worn to the point of replacement.

    The shark's teeth on the rings mean replacement. Chain looks completely beat - toss it. Harder to tell from the pics about the state of the freewheel teeth, but seeing the wear on the driveside crank arm, well, I would assume the freewheel has been on there for many if not most of the PO's miles.

    You'll need to toss the driveside crank arm, too (well, at least retire it). With that much alloy worn away, it's a failure waiting to happen.

    If you need assistance with replacing parts with original stuff, there are plenty of us here whom can lend a hand

    Good luck on your project - a very nice find!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Drillium Dude View Post
    You'll need to toss the driveside crank arm, too (well, at least retire it). With that much alloy worn away, it's a failure waiting to happen.
    WOW... I hadn't noticed that before. I wonder how many miles are on the bike to cause that much wear?
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    Those suntour shifters are better than campy NR shifters; I'd keep them.

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