RARE frame Suntour Superbe Pro
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Olde CyclePro frames were made by the same folks who made olde Nishikis. Could be fairly decent.
Font isn't even close to the early 80s CyclePro font but they might have come up with something snazzy for this aero model.
Font isn't even close to the early 80s CyclePro font but they might have come up with something snazzy for this aero model.
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No, the "PRO" is original to the Superbe Pro stickers. The stickers are either originals or fairly accurate reproductions. There is likely nothing underneath the stickers but cheap paint...
I think the "PRO" portions of the frame decals may be original and the "Superbe" portions are recent additions used to obscure the rest of the original name. Sure would like to know what's under there.
Fork is definitely bent, so I wouldn't want it much. After checking frame carefully to see if it's in good shape I'd offer $25 for the frame. Maybe more if there's something exciting under the "Superbe" stickers.
Fork is definitely bent, so I wouldn't want it much. After checking frame carefully to see if it's in good shape I'd offer $25 for the frame. Maybe more if there's something exciting under the "Superbe" stickers.
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So back to the frame being anything.
Probably not too bad a frame, though. Tange dropouts and the lugs aren't overly clunky. Made for banded DT shifters, as it looks like a nubbin on the DT to keep them from sliding down. Wonder if there's a threaded hole for under the BB cable guide, or if it came with over the BB band guides.
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The frame reminds me of the frames that Shimano had specced in the early eighties to complement their AX groups. This is my Jan Janssen, built by (probably) Araya:
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That Jannsen bike is very cool!
I hadn't seen the Adamas gruppo before mounted to anything but my Huffy Aerowind. DT shifters are different than my Huffy's tt version.
I agree there are frame similarities. I didn't think that the OP's bike picture showed a bent fork, rather it's a small frame with a quite-relaxed head tube angle imo.
A bike like the "Superbe PRO" ought to easily fetch $200 near any college town. Not sure what's up with the black fork, but the aero headset is a nice touch!
I hadn't seen the Adamas gruppo before mounted to anything but my Huffy Aerowind. DT shifters are different than my Huffy's tt version.
I agree there are frame similarities. I didn't think that the OP's bike picture showed a bent fork, rather it's a small frame with a quite-relaxed head tube angle imo.
A bike like the "Superbe PRO" ought to easily fetch $200 near any college town. Not sure what's up with the black fork, but the aero headset is a nice touch!
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Looks like a lower quality frame with Suntour stickers added later.
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That Jannsen bike is very cool!
I hadn't seen the Adamas gruppo before mounted to anything but my Huffy Aerowind. DT shifters are different than my Huffy's tt version.
I agree there are frame similarities. I didn't think that the OP's bike picture showed a bent fork, rather it's a small frame with a quite-relaxed head tube angle imo.
A bike like the "Superbe PRO" ought to easily fetch $200 near any college town. Not sure what's up with the black fork, but the aero headset is a nice touch!
I hadn't seen the Adamas gruppo before mounted to anything but my Huffy Aerowind. DT shifters are different than my Huffy's tt version.
I agree there are frame similarities. I didn't think that the OP's bike picture showed a bent fork, rather it's a small frame with a quite-relaxed head tube angle imo.
A bike like the "Superbe PRO" ought to easily fetch $200 near any college town. Not sure what's up with the black fork, but the aero headset is a nice touch!
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My money would be on this^ if I was betting, am surprised there were so many brands that sold AX-specific frames (in Europe), were all those Araya-built from (what sort of) tubing? The only similar to the OP's I ever saw in the US was branded Araya.
(The black fork on the OP's is not original, as many have pointed out)
Tange aero tubing was shaped so that usually the only "lug" was the BB shell (which had an oval socket for the DT) and the other joins were all fillet brazed, from what I have seen...
(The black fork on the OP's is not original, as many have pointed out)
Tange aero tubing was shaped so that usually the only "lug" was the BB shell (which had an oval socket for the DT) and the other joins were all fillet brazed, from what I have seen...
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Ding-ding, I think we have a winner. Squished downtube and seat lug cluster look like a match, fork clearly different, definitely non-original on the OP's posted frameset. I hereby declare this mystery solved!
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My money would be on this^ if I was betting, am surprised there were so many brands that sold AX-specific frames (in Europe), were all those Araya-built from (what sort of) tubing? The only similar to the OP's I ever saw in the US was branded Araya.
(The black fork on the OP's is not original, as many have pointed out)
Tange aero tubing was shaped so that usually the only "lug" was the BB shell (which had an oval socket for the DT) and the other joins were all fillet brazed, from what I have seen...
(The black fork on the OP's is not original, as many have pointed out)
Tange aero tubing was shaped so that usually the only "lug" was the BB shell (which had an oval socket for the DT) and the other joins were all fillet brazed, from what I have seen...
I haven't got the bike with me, so I can't check, but I don't remember there being any tubing decals. Just 'made in Japan'.
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I'm no expert on the aero stuff, but my understanding is there were a few different aero dynamic tube sets made by Tange - differing in the butting. Not all companies used all of the tubes, for instance the Panasonic AR6000 used a round head tube. A lot of by hem didn't use the aero seattube, which requires the aero AX post. I've only seen one of the Shimano display bikes live, and it had the aero head tube.
Columbus also had a version called Air.
This is the Lotus version higher end variety, which used all of the aero bells and whistles and had the double butted aero tubeset, which few used.
Columbus also had a version called Air.
This is the Lotus version higher end variety, which used all of the aero bells and whistles and had the double butted aero tubeset, which few used.
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I don't think it's an ax bike. They had ax specific dt shifter mounts, while this one is made for clamp on dt shifters, as evidenced by the small piece of steel brazed to the underside of the downtube to keep the shifters from sliding down it.
Unless of course they made clamp-on ax shifters...
Unless of course they made clamp-on ax shifters...
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I don't think it's an ax bike. They had ax specific dt shifter mounts, while this one is made for clamp on dt shifters, as evidenced by the small piece of steel brazed to the underside of the downtube to keep the shifters from sliding down it.
Unless of course they made clamp-on ax shifters...
Unless of course they made clamp-on ax shifters...
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It may be a low end bike of very little worth, but I've sure gotten an education following this thread. Thank you all for adding to my mental dustbin of vintage bike arcana!
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They did. I actually held a pair in my hands last week at the C&V event in Ghent.
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This Janssen 600 AX, for instance, has an aero seat tube and a normal top tube (as opposed to my Adamas).
My Faggin also takes a normal seatpost:
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