DT, indexed, brifters, friction, whatever
12-04-14, 05:44 PM
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maybe you can use 8 speed shifters+ (new consistently spaced 7 speed freewheels ) Sun Race , etc.
that side play on the center-on upper pulley slop makes things less fussy. all shimano .
the bar end shifter for 8 were called Ultegra still sold and the Rt Rr is switchable
But Maybe an IGH would Be even easier to Use .. the shift while stopped and Not pedaling is simple.
that side play on the center-on upper pulley slop makes things less fussy. all shimano .
the bar end shifter for 8 were called Ultegra still sold and the Rt Rr is switchable
But Maybe an IGH would Be even easier to Use .. the shift while stopped and Not pedaling is simple.
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12-04-14, 06:15 PM
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Out of the box:
There are Shimano rear hubs out there that are 126mm and 8/8/10 compatible.
Then you get some 10sp DA DT shifters. Use polished 105 10-sp RD, FD.
Whatever crankset you want, with 9sp or 10sp rings. A 10-sp chain.
You will be enlightened.
Or cold-set and do the same thing on 130mm rear. What's 2mm each side.
You can probably just use a little more "uumph" without cold-setting.
My work here is done. 3.50 at the counter.
PS: Good to hear from you, Gregory! A great bike mind, you have.
There are Shimano rear hubs out there that are 126mm and 8/8/10 compatible.
Then you get some 10sp DA DT shifters. Use polished 105 10-sp RD, FD.
Whatever crankset you want, with 9sp or 10sp rings. A 10-sp chain.
You will be enlightened.
Or cold-set and do the same thing on 130mm rear. What's 2mm each side.
You can probably just use a little more "uumph" without cold-setting.
My work here is done. 3.50 at the counter.
PS: Good to hear from you, Gregory! A great bike mind, you have.
12-04-14, 06:31 PM
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As mentioned in other threads, RSX 7 brifters are rock-steady so keep an eye out for a nice set. Better quality than the new gear if they're not abused. I regret selling a set.
Frame clearances cause most problems, spacing and dishing, etc. I've got a couple of 7 speed/126 projects midway going now.
Edit...Robbie gets $3.50! He doubled his rates...
Frame clearances cause most problems, spacing and dishing, etc. I've got a couple of 7 speed/126 projects midway going now.
Edit...Robbie gets $3.50! He doubled his rates...
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12-04-14, 06:40 PM
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Your gearing may help refine your choices. Do you want compact double, triple, mtb cassette....? Bar ends are a reasonable compromise between DT and brifters and work well with triples because of the friction front. I agree that you may as well use a modern 130 hub if you are starting from scratch. 8 or 9 speed would be my choice for the range of cassette options.
12-04-14, 07:10 PM
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I changed the 7sp. indexed down tube shifters on my Black Lightning to these 7sp. Shimano Tourney shifters. They work great and blend in very well with the black theme of the bike. I switched out the rear der.with a later model 105 long cage which allowed me to put a 14-28 Shimano freewheel on it. Works for me.
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12-06-14, 08:45 AM
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You can cram in a 130mm road rear wheel with an 8-speed cassette as is (or cold-set the rear dropouts slightly), and put 8-speed Shimano bar end shifters on it.
12-06-14, 01:20 PM
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You can source first gen Shimano 105 downtube shifters pretty inexpensively on the big auction site if you want to keep your indexing old-skool. They are 6-speed indexed and work great. The advantage of Shimano over Suntour is that any new $15 Sunrace, Shimano or SRAM 6-speed freewheel will work just dandy.
I did try using a Shimano SIS derailleur and freewheel with Accushift shifters and it was less than successful.
Hey Jim,
To present yet another option to you- Suntour Command Shifters! They're awesome- I prefer these MUCH more than bar end shifters- shifting is right at your fingers and thumbs, enough so, you can shift while braking.
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[QUOTE=The Golden Boy;17367391]IME, Accushift shifters + RD + Shimano 6-speed freewheel works fantastically. [QUOTE]
+1. 7 speed accushift is a no go for me, it's hard to find cassettes and freewheels that are reasonably priced these days. Another option, are my patented "high end" stem shifters (post #17 in https://www.bikeforums.net/classic-vi...nal-parts.html) . That's right, I'm bringin' sexy back. And their not really patented, so use them if you want.
+1. 7 speed accushift is a no go for me, it's hard to find cassettes and freewheels that are reasonably priced these days. Another option, are my patented "high end" stem shifters (post #17 in https://www.bikeforums.net/classic-vi...nal-parts.html) . That's right, I'm bringin' sexy back. And their not really patented, so use them if you want.
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12-06-14, 08:41 PM
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A 7403 hub would open up some options for you. Although they are 130mm it will mount easily in a narrower steel frame (thanks to shape of axle lock nuts). Compatible with newer 8,9,10 speed cassettes and various brifter, DT, and bar end shifters.
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I changed the 7sp. indexed down tube shifters on my Black Lightning to these 7sp. Shimano Tourney shifters. They work great and blend in very well with the black theme of the bike. I switched out the rear der.with a later model 105 long cage which allowed me to put a 14-28 Shimano freewheel on it. Works for me.
12-07-14, 07:04 AM
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Excellent thread. I, too, am working on projects for my mrs.
I think I'm even more a Luddite than is Jim. I have no bikes except 120mm & 126mm, so there have been some really useful tips here.
Thanks, all!
I think I'm even more a Luddite than is Jim. I have no bikes except 120mm & 126mm, so there have been some really useful tips here.
Thanks, all!
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1963 Hetchins Mountain King
1971 Gitane Tour de France (original owner)
* 1971 Gitane Super Corsa (crashed)
* rebuilt as upright cruiser
1971 Gitane Super Corsa #2 (sweet replacement)
1980 Ritchey Road Touring (The Grail Bike)
1982 Tom Ritchey Everest
(replacing stolen 1981 TR Everest custom)
1982 Tom Ritchey McKinley (touring pickup truck)
1985 ALAN Record (Glued & Screwed. A gift.)
12-07-14, 07:18 AM
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FWIW, all my bikes are 120 & 126 too. Even the tandem is (still) 3x5.I'm working toward Shimano with a 7-spd FW. Details and pics coming when done, which won't be for a while.
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12-08-14, 08:43 AM
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I certainly don't think I'm really the candidate for that run-off. I would probably win the "Rip Van Winkle" award for going off-line in Asia for 30+ years with two bikes, only to return just a few years ago to discover that people were talking about "indexed shifting" of which I'd never even heard.
A sleepy curmudgeon, or a curmudgeon-after-the-fact. I think you actually have the skills to qualify as a true Luddite.
My current project is learning about Uniglide freehubs and whether I can squeeze a 126 hub down to fit my 120 frames. A thread on the subject is sinking with barely a ripple.
A sleepy curmudgeon, or a curmudgeon-after-the-fact. I think you actually have the skills to qualify as a true Luddite.
My current project is learning about Uniglide freehubs and whether I can squeeze a 126 hub down to fit my 120 frames. A thread on the subject is sinking with barely a ripple.
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1971 Gitane Tour de France (original owner)
* 1971 Gitane Super Corsa (crashed)
* rebuilt as upright cruiser
1971 Gitane Super Corsa #2 (sweet replacement)
1980 Ritchey Road Touring (The Grail Bike)
1982 Tom Ritchey Everest
(replacing stolen 1981 TR Everest custom)
1982 Tom Ritchey McKinley (touring pickup truck)
1985 ALAN Record (Glued & Screwed. A gift.)
1959 Hilton Wrigley Connoisseur (my favorite!)
1963 Hetchins Mountain King
1971 Gitane Tour de France (original owner)
* 1971 Gitane Super Corsa (crashed)
* rebuilt as upright cruiser
1971 Gitane Super Corsa #2 (sweet replacement)
1980 Ritchey Road Touring (The Grail Bike)
1982 Tom Ritchey Everest
(replacing stolen 1981 TR Everest custom)
1982 Tom Ritchey McKinley (touring pickup truck)
1985 ALAN Record (Glued & Screwed. A gift.)
