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    What's with a single bottle cage mount?

    I'm surprised that 70s/80s frames only have a single bottle cage mount. A 25+ mile ride for me absolutely requires two water bottles.

    Do you guys either not ride your vintage frames on long rides, use camelback hydration, or use clamp-ons like these?

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    Back in the 70's the bikes I rode had no braze-ons for mounting water bottles. Of course, it could be that I rode cheap bikes, but water the bottle cages I bought back then always came with the straps to mount them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ppg677 View Post
    Do you guys either not ride your vintage frames on long rides, use camelback hydration, or use clamp-ons like these?
    I ride bikes so old that all of the bits & bobs are clamped on.
    If you need a 2nd cage clamp it on the ST, a third goes in a jersey pocket if it's a long hot ride.

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    Indeed there were 'top of the line' bikes and framesets in the early 70's without provisions or bottle cages. It was ones choice to add with clamp type mounts. I use a hydration pack for both on or off road so its no problem with me. However, I like the nostalgia of the old style cages and have at least one on each bike. For distance riding its used for a bottle with electrolyte drink or sometimes have a thermal bottle for coffee. It's also there if I loan a bike and most don't use a hydration pack.

    Funny you mention too as on my modern Giant, I only have one cage.... but its a vintage Ringle

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    On my bikes that have one bottle mount, I put a second in my jersey pocket.
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    We used to ride centuries with just one bottle, refilling it at the outside faucet at gas stations, country stores, country churches, and courthouses. Nowdays, most of those faucets have been turned off. I guess they want you to buy sodas or the bottled water. The clamp-on bottle cage seemed to damage the paint and decals.
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    To prevent frame paint damage, I use a piece of rim tape and trimmed to the shape of the cage clamps. I also do the same for DT shift clamps.

    There is something to be said even for vintage bikes with braze-on cage bosses. Our 1980 Santana tandem only has two water bottle mounts!

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    I wouldn't take those cheap mounts anywhere near my bikes. I go with a handlebar mount or better quality clamps/mounts.




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    Quote Originally Posted by CroMo Mike View Post
    We used to ride centuries with just one bottle, refilling it at the outside faucet at gas stations, country stores, country churches, and courthouses. Nowdays, most of those faucets have been turned off. .....
    +1, I always rode (and still do) with a single bottle, and refilled along the way, even for centuries and single day rides upward of 200 miles.

    OTOH- people today are making a fetish of hydration. Except on very hot days, it's amazing low long you can go without any water on a ride, and I routinely ride 25-50 miles without drinking. In fact on hot days, I'm more likely to pour water on my head and face to cool off than I am to drink it.
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    ...I don't go on that many rides where I can't refill along the way. I also use bar mounted cages, mounts available from Nashbar.
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    I think bianchigirll might have a drinking problem!
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    Double handlebar mount . . . with drinking tube.
    No need t remove bottle when riding or to clamp stuff to the frame.
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    Quote Originally Posted by crank_addict View Post
    Indeed there were 'top of the line' bikes and framesets in the early 70's without provisions or bottle cages. It was ones choice to add with clamp type mounts. I use a hydration pack for both on or off road so its no problem with me. However, I like the nostalgia of the old style cages and have at least one on each bike. For distance riding its used for a bottle with electrolyte drink or sometimes have a thermal bottle for coffee. It's also there if I loan a bike and most don't use a hydration pack.

    Funny you mention too as on my modern Giant, I only have one cage.... but its a vintage Ringle
    In the 70's braze on water bottle mounts were just beginning to show up on the down tube of top tier frames.
    My 1970 Masi has no braze on mounts, my '71 does.
    We used to pity the poor Schwinn Paramount owners who had no place to mount a cage without covering up the graphics.
    For them is was cover something up or a handlebar mounted bottle.
    Friends who rode the Davis Double Century mounted a second bottle somewhere… maybe even a twin bottle handlebar mount, otherwise is was appearance first.
    The pros only had one cage, but they had team support and musette bags handed up to them.

    On a long ride if you were sensible you found a place to fill the bottle enroute.

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    I prefer a hydration bladder, and the single cage can carry a bottle of performance drink if I want it. I have put cages on older bikes with straps, I just use thin strips of old inner tube underneath the straps to protect the paint. Another modern option is to get the cage mounts that fasten to the rear of the saddle that will add a couple bottles within easy reach. It might look kind of funny, but everyone thinks cyclists look funny anyway, even golfers. ...okay, getting sneered by golfers hurts a little...

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    Quote Originally Posted by FBinNY View Post
    +1, I always rode (and still do) with a single bottle, and refilled along the way, even for centuries and single day rides upward of 200 miles.

    OTOH- people today are making a fetish of hydration. Except on very hot days, it's amazing low long you can go without any water on a ride, and I routinely ride 25-50 miles without drinking. In fact on hot days, I'm more likely to pour water on my head and face to cool off than I am to drink it.
    Everyone is different. I could do the same, work in an all day physical strenuous job, 100 degree temps, high humidity and go with minimal water.

    But, if bike riding all day and lacking hydration I used to experience muscle spasm or called 'Charlie horse'. Same goes for in the cold of Winter and X-country skiing. The solution is hydrating and replacing electrolytes. The hydration backpack has worked well for me and rarely do I conserve water on distances without refill.

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    Both of my main roadies have double screw sets. The '86 Trek 760 and '88 Cannondale Crit are nicely set up but I only use one 24oz bottle and with planned stops if extra heat and miles require.
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    Several comments. 1) Zephal makes a plastic strapped clamps that work really well and look neat.

    2) Hydration (with enough electrolytes) aid in both performance and how you feel afterwards.

    3) Regularly dehydrating yourself is setting yourself up for kidney stones. I know it's "no pain, no gain" but after that first stone, you might change your mind.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sloar View Post
    I think bianchigirll might have a drinking problem!
    Funny. I thought the same thing. Gotta admire her style!

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    Quote Originally Posted by sloar View Post
    I think bianchigirll might have a drinking problem!
    The only drinking problem I have is the Doctors told me not to anymore.

    Are you guys all Camels? On a warmish day, upper '80s, I can easily down 2 larger bottle and stop to fill them up somewhere in a 40-45 mile ride.
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    I reckon we're all different, but I typically carry only one bottle and fill up as necessary. I find that if I drink more than half a bottle every 25 miles, I have to listen to my riding partners gripe about having to stop and wait for me while I relieve myself. With temps above 90, I do drink more but my buddies don't like to ride then, so I can stop as many times as I want.
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    I actually have to force myself to keep drinking water during rides. I'm not much of a water drinker, except whats in coffee and beer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bianchigirll View Post
    I wouldn't take those cheap mounts anywhere near my bikes. I go with a handlebar mount or better quality clamps/mounts.






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    I once used that handlebar cage mount on my Gitane TdF. Who makes it, Minoura or someone?

    It was convenient and looked good. I liked it, but I went through bottle cages like salted nuts. They'd last maybe a couple of months, and then the welds would crack. Something to do with the greater "whipping" force exerted on that area relative to the seat tube or down tube, possibly? The fact that I ride on a lot of moderately rough dirt roads probably had a lot to do with it.

    Cheap cages, expensive cages, it didn't seem to matter. One of those spendy stainless-steel cages might have fared better, but I never tried that. No bottle cages at all on that bike now--I put one or two bottles in my jersey pockets.
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    ^^^ useless cages.... been there, done that. The re-bending of alloy cages can only take so much.

    Seemingly from nowhere flying water bottles in the early days of mtn. biking. LOL

    And then the rough graded gravel routes..... more disappearing bottles of water, sometimes miles before you realize one is missing.

    Back in the late 80's I tried the behind seat Minoura dual mount. Lost a few bottles by them falling out on some rough roads.
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    No braze-ons on the '81 AD.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sloar View Post
    On my bikes that have one bottle mount, I put a second in my jersey pocket.
    + 1. The pump mounted on the seatpost and if you were lucky, there were braze-ons on the downtube. Plus they were small water bottles back in the day.

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