Does my Dream Bike exist already?
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I'm confused by that request. Do you want REALLY long chainstays, or just not racer-short stays? And what do you mean by "mid-tail"?
As others have said, 500mm would be really long. My Klein Performance had 480mm chainstays and it was fabulous for keeping the rear pannier's center of gravity forward of the rear axle. The aluminum frame did ride a bit harshly, but was otherwise very nice loaded or not. I converted to bigger tires on my later bikes after giving the Klein to my son.
My favorite Marinoni Sport Tourer has 435mm chainstays, and the Riv Rambouillet has 445mm stays, and both work fine with panniers. Both have "two fingers" of clearance to the ST, FWIW. I can use up to 32mm tires (no fender clearance) on the Marinoni, 32's with fenders on the Riv.
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1984 Centurion ProTour didn't have 50cm stays but it did have 3 bottle braze-ons, double eyelets on rear. Room for 27 X 1 1/2 + fenders.
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Thank you everyone that has replied. I guess I can't help liking what I like.
Here is an example of what I like. I know it's not for everyone or China would be mass producing them for Walmart
Arvon Cycles Touring Bicycle
Arvon also made around 6 of his World Traveler bikes which are even more extreme. Looks like I'll have to start saving to get what I want made.
Thanks again and watch for my next annoying post, probably about TT bikes.
Here is an example of what I like. I know it's not for everyone or China would be mass producing them for Walmart
Arvon Cycles Touring Bicycle
Arvon also made around 6 of his World Traveler bikes which are even more extreme. Looks like I'll have to start saving to get what I want made.
Thanks again and watch for my next annoying post, probably about TT bikes.
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I know you're looking for something with 700c wheels, but there is an '84 Trek 830 for sale right now on the sales subforum. I think that it would make a great tourer if you did a drop bar conversion. Chain stay length is 485 mm according to the catalogs. The price is right, too.
https://www.bikeforums.net/classic-vi...e-classic.html
https://www.bikeforums.net/classic-vi...e-classic.html
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@Centaurious, from your posts, I can't tell if you're looking specifically for something old, new, or either. If you're not picky about age, there are tons of bikes that will suit you.
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Check vintage Novaras or an early 90's Bianchi Volpe
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Yes! I have a mid-90's Volpe that I love much more than I expected. I can't even figure out what's so great about it. It can't be the weight, so fit must be a factor. Maybe the geometry makes for a balanced and predictable ride. It's not sluggish but not nimble, either.
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Thank you everyone that has replied. I guess I can't help liking what I like.
Here is an example of what I like. I know it's not for everyone or China would be mass producing them for Walmart
Arvon Cycles Touring Bicycle
Arvon also made around 6 of his World Traveler bikes which are even more extreme. Looks like I'll have to start saving to get what I want made.
Thanks again and watch for my next annoying post, probably about TT bikes.
Here is an example of what I like. I know it's not for everyone or China would be mass producing them for Walmart
Arvon Cycles Touring Bicycle
Arvon also made around 6 of his World Traveler bikes which are even more extreme. Looks like I'll have to start saving to get what I want made.
Thanks again and watch for my next annoying post, probably about TT bikes.
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Yes, I like them much more then 36.5 cm chain stays.
[ snarky sarcasm on]
I wonder if someone is going to mount the crank arms onto the chain stays and use a belt drive on either side of the bike to link the crank arms to the wheel on these TT bikes. They could get rid of the bottom bracket completely that way and have the wheels almost touching each other. It would have to make the bike faster, right? That is why they tuck the wheel as far under the rider, right? Just think how quick it would steer with a 28" wheelbase and all the riders weight over the back tire, they might even need a drogue chute to slow it down. [ snarky sarcasm off]
[ snarky sarcasm on]
I wonder if someone is going to mount the crank arms onto the chain stays and use a belt drive on either side of the bike to link the crank arms to the wheel on these TT bikes. They could get rid of the bottom bracket completely that way and have the wheels almost touching each other. It would have to make the bike faster, right? That is why they tuck the wheel as far under the rider, right? Just think how quick it would steer with a 28" wheelbase and all the riders weight over the back tire, they might even need a drogue chute to slow it down. [ snarky sarcasm off]
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But most of what people have mentioned here are more like 46cm, not 36. If your magic number is 50cm then these bikes get you closer to that than the Arvon anyway. So what's the problem with those?
Otherwise, it's probably best to talk to a builder. I'd be curious to hear the response when you do.
Otherwise, it's probably best to talk to a builder. I'd be curious to hear the response when you do.
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Saw this at a local show... Cargo Bike Review - Yuba Mundo - Momentum Mag
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But most of what people have mentioned here are more like 46cm, not 36. If your magic number is 50cm then these bikes get you closer to that than the Arvon anyway. So what's the problem with those?
Otherwise, it's probably best to talk to a builder. I'd be curious to hear the response when you do.
Otherwise, it's probably best to talk to a builder. I'd be curious to hear the response when you do.
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Why exactly does the OP want 500mm chainstays? I guess if he is heavy, longer chainstays could provide better weight distribution between front and rear wheels, or maybe the longer stays would allow for more heel clearance with rear panniers, but other than these two possibilities, I don't see the reason for 500 mm chainstays.
Maybe if he asked about chainstay length on the framebuilder's forum, he could get some advice from people who have designed and built frames.
Maybe if he asked about chainstay length on the framebuilder's forum, he could get some advice from people who have designed and built frames.
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I need to measure the chainstays on my Specialized Crossroads. The frame is extra long (56cm ST & 61cm TT), and has ginormous 700C x 45 tires on it with plenty of clearance. Rack braze-ons, too. As Oddjob2 noted, I would guess the mid-90's Trek 730/750/770 hybrids with a drop-bar conversion might just fit the bill, as well.
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