Raleigh Royale
01-05-15, 07:38 PM
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Raleigh Royale
I bought this Raleigh Royale while my wife and I were on a road trip.
@daf1009 and I were trying to date it.
Best we could come up with is 1962.
I started the tear down and clean up.....
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Can anyone date this saddle? The condition is amazing! B-15
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@daf1009 and I were trying to date it.
Best we could come up with is 1962.
I started the tear down and clean up.....
20141011_162015 by flog00, on FlickrCan anyone date this saddle? The condition is amazing! B-15
20150105_162145 by flog00, on Flickr20150105_162128 by flog00, on Flickr20150105_162104 by flog00, on Flickr20150105_162049 by flog00, on Flickr
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01-05-15, 07:43 PM
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Some grimy parts.
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I love these brakes. Cool looking.
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20150105_162017 by flog00, on Flickr20150105_161824 by flog00, on FlickrI love these brakes. Cool looking.
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01-05-15, 08:33 PM
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It sure does look like the Gran Sport of that era, right down to the color and the components.
01-05-15, 08:42 PM
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Looks new
01-06-15, 07:29 AM
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72
C
72 means the frame was made in 1972, and I think B refers to the 3rd quarter, so July-September. As you show, there is also a code of some kind painted on the leather, but I don't know how to interpret that.
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01-06-15, 07:59 AM
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Right! I was looking at it upside down. 
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01-06-15, 12:01 PM
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01-06-15, 12:25 PM
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Just found this catalog page on my laptop. I'm not sure of the date, but it's from a UK Raleigh catalog that I labeled "1960s."
01-25-15, 11:32 AM
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01-25-15, 11:33 AM
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01-25-15, 11:35 AM
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01-25-15, 11:39 AM
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01-25-15, 12:46 PM
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Wow that's looking mint! What'd you do to bring the chain back?
01-25-15, 01:45 PM
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I REFUSE to look at the pictures...I REFUSE, REFUSE, REFUSE! I cannot wait to see it in person...
01-26-15, 06:37 AM
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There is a date stamp under the right edge of the cantle plate (at the lower right of the photo shown). Looks like
72
C
72 means the frame was made in 1972, and I think B refers to the 3rd quarter, so July-September. As you show, there is also a code of some kind painted on the leather, but I don't know how to interpret that.
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72 means the frame was made in 1972, and I think B refers to the 3rd quarter, so July-September. As you show, there is also a code of some kind painted on the leather, but I don't know how to interpret that.
Rudi, I've handled about half a dozen B15s (and currently own two), but this is the first Brooks I've seen with the under-layer support added. Is this unusual or is this something seen from time to time? Maybe @tony colegrave can chime in as well.
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01-26-15, 09:28 PM
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Nice original fenders for a 50 year old bike.
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01-27-15, 06:45 AM
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@Flog00 you are doing this just to torture me...aren't you...REFUSE, REFUSE, REFUSE to look at pictures!!!! 
01-27-15, 11:40 AM
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To compound my ignorance, I can't even identify the material of this extra bit of material. On Wrights saddles it is clearly a coarse woven cloth, but on the Brooks ones it might be leather or cardboard or something. I'd vote for the latter since it doesn't hold up as well as the top.
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