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    "Gentleman Sport" So what have I got apart from too many bikes?

    So I have a number of bike frames that I'd like to build up and spotted a complete bike with a nice component set that would make for a good donor but just out of curiosity I'd like to know if there is any info out there on this donor bike before I commit some sort of crime against classic bikes.

    The Bike brand seems to be "Gentleman Sport" and model "Special Competition", it has a nice set of gold Mafac and Simplex components and the frame is nicely finished, so the overall bike is quite an attractive package. There are no tubing decals but the overall bike weight (without pedals) it exactly 10kg/22lbs.

    My theory/guess is it's a catalog or higher end department store present for Daddy bike or something along those line. Pretty tight cluster on the back sprocket, though the chainrings offer some relief at 50/42.















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    Senior Member LazyLegs's Avatar
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    BTW the Frame I had in mind for the components is a Tigra Professional with 531 tubing.


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    I think what you have there is the ultimate french parts donor bike. Nice find!

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    Cool parts!

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    Think St Etienne Cycles is a pretty good candidate for manufacture based on similarities to a Jacques Anquetil frame I have, particularly the fork crown but also a few other small details.

    What to do with the discarded frame tho or am I just being too sentimental.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LazyLegs View Post
    Think St Etienne Cycles is a pretty good candidate for manufacture based on similarities to a Jacques Anquetil frame I have, particularly the fork crown but also a few other small details.

    What to do with the discarded frame tho or am I just being too sentimental.
    In my opinion that's much too nice a bike to part out, given that it's complete and probably original.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jonwvara View Post
    In my opinion that's much too nice a bike to part out, given that it's complete and probably original.
    Hmm! I hear you on that front alright but just to clarify, it's not so much a parting out as a complete body transplant (within limits of compatibility), perhaps creating an enhanced whole that without the parts, the current frame wouldn't have any notable charm anyway.

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    I think you have a JPR seatpost on their too. Great deaign, and really easy to adjust.

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    Quote Originally Posted by big chainring View Post
    I think you have a JPR seatpost on their too. Great deaign, and really easy to adjust.
    Yeah, it was pointed up in the air when I put it on, and adjusted it to be a bit more level to photo and did think, this is a great mechanism, wonder why more posts don't have a similar design. Weight saving on newer bikes, I guess.

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    the combination of seat stay cap and crown might suggest something from andy bertin.

    it is a little bit incongruous that it is fitted with the gold juy super lj gear ensemble yet has luxe competition hubs. by the time this gear ensemble launched the top hub from maillard was the 700.

    slightly odd that it has all of those beautiful first cabin fittings yet comes with a modest lightrace headset. perhaps the maker was not on good terms with verot at the time of manufacture...

    agree that st etienne is an excellent candidate for perpetrator.

    this is a most fascinating find; thanks very much for sharing it!

    look forward to reading what the experts have to say.

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    Based on the second frame you posted, I'm guessing it's not your size. Otherwise I'd say ride it first, then decide.

    I wouldn't worry so much about parting it out. Some bikes, yes, but this one, though quite nice, wouldn't make that threshold for me. ymmv.

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    For all you know someone grabbed all of those components off a too-small or damaged frame and put them on there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bholio View Post
    For all you know someone grabbed all of those components off a too-small or damaged frame and put them on there.
    It may be some sort of do-over alright. One of the BB braze-ons has broken and is replaced with a matching clamp-on. The decals were either done on a Friday, 5mins before clocking off time or at home by a very shaky hand. There is no serial number, in any obvious place any way, but there is a size stamp, I presume, on the bottom head tube lug. This is quite crisp, so doesn't look like a home repaint was done or anything like that. The gold lining is consistent but I don't have enough experience to tell if it's factory finish of hobbyist quality.

    Size is on the upper end for me but not to the degree that it would cause any problems.








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    this closeup of the bb area gives an interesting piece of information. the first generation super lj front mech uses a piece of cable housing and the braze-on cable guide on the bb is clearly intended for bare cable operation.

    this would tend to support Bholio's suggestion that we may not be looking at the machine in its ex-works configuration. OTOH it could be that the mfr built up the same frame in different manners to make differing models...

    this daniel rebour drawing shows it well although the cable path he illustrates seems a bit unlikely -

    Simplex Super LJ gear ensemble .jpg

    wrt the "...Friday. 5mins before clocking off..." there used to be a bit of folk wisdom in veloland that one difference between French and Italian machines was that in one case a buyer would want a "before lunch" cycle and in the other they would want an "after lunch" product due to the vin/vino consumed at lunch. one nation was thought to do better work without the wine and the other with...

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    Quote Originally Posted by juvela View Post
    ....there used to be a bit of folk wisdom in veloland that one difference between French and Italian machines was that in one case a buyer would want a "before lunch" cycle and in the other they would want an "after lunch" product due to the vin/vino consumed at lunch. one nation was thought to do better work without the wine and the other with...
    Who did better work before wine and who did better work after?
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    Quote Originally Posted by jonwvara View Post
    Who did better work before wine and who did better work after?
    had to leave that out as it was over forty years ago that i heard this folk wisdom and could not recall which was which.

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    Stamp on the underside of the head tube lugs - I know lugs were bought in but might add a little detail on its passed life.


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    Upside down Bocama??

    Quote Originally Posted by LazyLegs View Post
    Stamp on the underside of the head tube lugs - I know lugs were bought in but might add a little detail on its passed life.


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    Quote Originally Posted by crank_addict View Post
    Upside down Bocama??
    Cool thanks, and to everyone else too for expanding my knowledge base a little further.

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    Dang, that freewheel is no gentleman.
    Having a flat tire as part of the total cycling experience is highly overrated. Knowing how to fix one quickly is not.

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    Doubt it would be a department store bike with that freewheel it's a real knee breaker. Plus it has decent components and wheels and at 22 lbs must be made from quality tubing. My Gitane has very similar seat stay ends.

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