petrintata

Could someone identify this********** It is total mystery to me. I haven`t cleaned it yet, or inspected bb thread...tomorow....but just can`t wait to hear what you all think. Here are some pictures:

















It is mostly Campy SR on it....I forgot to make some pictures of the fork, but ti is not big deal....just plain chromed road bike fork.

Oldpeddaller

Sorry, no idea - but I love the look of it - beautiful smooth brazings and that 'disappearing' head lug effect. Just - Wow!

jacksbike

I don't know, but the frame work is outstanding ! Coppi, Cinelli, Masi ?? Since there is no seat cluster binder bolt, does the seat post have an internal expander to keep it tight ? Perhaps someone will recognize the picture on the head badge or the lug (lugless) work.

Ashiquor

That's a Cinelli logo for sure

petrintata

Yes, there is some kind of expander on the seat post. I haven`t take it out yet, but i see a bolt on the top of it, under the seat. I just hope it isn`t stucked. More pictures tomorrow.

And yes, that is Cinelli bb shell, but I have seen it on lot of non-Cinelli bikes.

John E

BB shell width and threading would help narrow country of origin.

rootboy 

Who is that guy on the head tube?

The Pope?

crank_addict

Cool frame! My guess Francesco Moser.

Scooper

Construction appears to be well executed bilaminate, a combination of fillet brazing and lugs.

Here's an example of bilam head lugs from David Mercer of New Zealand. Besides the distinctive look, bilaminate joints are not limited by lug angles.

cb400bill

John Wayne

crank_addict

^^haha.... I so badly wanted to say that and was my first thought. Funny though, I don't think he was a racer

bres dad

Is it steel or aluminum? Is there any kind of serial number on it? The fillet brazing looks like an old Schwinn, but those didn't use lugs like that, not any that I've seen. They didn't use an internally expanding seat post either. Might be a custom hand built perhaps?

zazenzach

What would be the advantage of this? Since the joints connecting the DT and TT to the HT is fillet, wouldnt the lug itself just be an aesthetic?

juvela

thanks for sharing this fascinating cycle.

seeing that seat cluster with the absence of an apparent binder reminded me that back in the early seventies i recall albert eisentraut built a frame or two with a FIXED campag record seat pillar. one I saw he had painted right over the pillar when he painted the frame. seemingly not very practical. always wondered what the point was....

wonder what's going on in this case?

Scooper

Yep; pretty much.

Scooper

It just about has to be steel, but a magnet test on the tubes (not the fillets) would confirm it. The Cinelli BB shell is steel, the dropouts are steel and brazed to the stays, and the top of the seat tube where the paint is chipped is rusting.

devinfan

That is one interesting frame. Can't wait for someone who knows more than me to figure it out!

CliffordK

A search for "expander seatpost" on E-Bay turns up a few.
But, more importantly, gives you a possible name.

Moser Gara
Moser Leader AX

It looks like a few other bikes also used that seatpost including a Schwinn 564 & at least one model of Peugeout.

Anyway, the Moser is a definite possibility. They use the filet brazing, and the combination of a fillet brazing and rings around the head tube. However, the Cinelli BB, and the Moser rings don't seem to descend in the rear. Also the seat tube length, all make me question whether it was a different frame builder. Moser also had a variety of dropouts.

JohnDThompson 

That's termed "bilaminate" construction, where the lugs morph into the tubes.

No idea who made it, but I suspect an 80s vintage one-off job (based on the logo on the Cinelli shell) from somebody in the bicycle industry.

Scooper

This 2011 photo of Francesco Moser by Petit Brun looks a lot like the guy on the headtube decal.

Scooper

This F. Moser frameset has lots of similarities to the OP's bike. It has bilaminate head lugs, expander seatpost, fillet brazed fastback seat stays, etc.

CliffordK

Can you read the brand on the rear dropouts? Forks?

Interesting thought that the head tube badge looks like Moser. If, however, the frame was painted 10 or 20 years ago, then one would expect the image to be younger.

However, I'm thinking that this is a small manufacture, perhaps home-built that used some of the Moser design features, but is not a Moser.

The semi-vertical dropouts are pretty obsolete, perhaps were obsolete when they were introduced, which should help dating the frame.

Scooper

I grabbed the photo off of a 2013 ebay listing. The frameset went for $299. Tubing is double-butted Oria, and there's a "1991" decal on the rear seat stay. Internal rear brake cable routing. It's clearly a very nicely made frameset.

The item description: Moser AX Leader Frameset Oria: Double Butted tubing; Fillet Silver Brazed; measures 57.5cm (bb to center of top tube); top tube length is 57cm (center to center). Includes Campagnolo record headset. Frame has some paint touch ups (tried to show them in the picture) the frame rides great! no dent or dings. The Quill seatpost bolt is not the original but it works fine.

ebay listing - Francesco Moser Leader AX Frame Set Campagnolo 57cm Vintage Classic Bicycle

These three photos are cropped from the photo in the listing.

frameteam2003

Looks like someone put Body filler/ Bondo on to me

petrintata

Hi all... I have finaly got from work....and managed to do some inspection on the frame.....Here are some data facts:

The frame is made of steel, as Scooper noticed. It has French threading on BB shell and fork, dropouts are shimano, seat post diameter is 26.8mm. I tried to measure outer diameter of the tubes ( I couldn`t measure it 100% becaouse tubes aren`t perfectly round...it could be becaouse of the paint, I don`t know) and this is what I got: ST 28.2mm, TT 26.4mm, DT 28.2mm

And "John Wayne`s" picture isn`t sticker. It is actually painted on the frame!?

Still a total mystery.