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    Lightweight lugged steel frame identification? Suntour GS dropouts

    I picked up this frame for a few dollars on ebay. Wondering if anyone would have any idea as to what it is?

    Apparently its new old stock in grey primer. A bit of surface rust showing through the primer which I hope isn't too serious once I strip it back.

    It's got nice looking lugs with Suntour GS dropouts.

    Weight is only 2.0kg and the size is 56cm

    No numbers anywhere that I can see.

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    Just a guess: Raleigh Competition?
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    2.0 kg for 56cm kind of indicates 531 rather than SL (SL being more like 1.9 @ 56, iirc ?)

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    There's got to be a number stamped on there somewhere - it looks Japanese.

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    You did good, whatever it turns out to be.
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    It looks Japanese my 74 le tour hash he same welds

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    I guess Japanese as well.

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    I thought Japanese too. Would that mean its some sort of Tange tubing? The dropout spacing was 120mm when I got it if that helps any.

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    Quote Originally Posted by noglider View Post
    Just a guess: Raleigh Competition?
    i thought it might be one of the Japanese made Raleigh Comps or an International from the early 80's?

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    Fuji America or pro

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    it has lugs that are either Prugnat or (more likely) copies, and a welded BB shell. That particular shifter stop was something I've only seen on Japanese frames. Surprised that there's no serial number!

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    They look like Prugnat 62D lugs but the points are a little too long and the distance from the head tube to the bottom of the "birds mouth" is also too long.

    Prugnat-62D-Copy.jpg PrugnatType62D-Lugs.jpg GusBetat1974RightFront.jpg

    Better quality Japanese make is a good guess...

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    Like everyone else, I'm thinking Japanese too, early 80s. What makes you think it's NOS, rather than a respray? Have you scratched the primer to see if there's any color underneath it?
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    Looks similar to my Matsuri professional, also suntour GS. Nice find.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Katiesmalls View Post
    Fuji America or pro
    Not as familiar with the America, but it's not a Professional. All the C&V Pros lack eyelets on the dropouts, and have scooped (instead of flat) seat stay ends at the point where it connects to the seat lug.

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    i hadn't seen this particular shape of a downtube stop for shifter clamp until disassembling a 1980 (ish) trek 412 i bought recently. it's made of ishiwata tubing. i'm not sure where the frame was assembled (either here in the u.s. or in japan). the 412/414 is a little weird. it's a good kind of weird though.

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    The only other bike I had with Ishiwata was a Lotus Supreme. I don't remember the drop outs, but think they were Shimano. Good Luck

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    Quote Originally Posted by eschlwc View Post


    i hadn't seen this particular shape of a downtube stop for shifter clamp until disassembling a 1980 (ish) trek 412 i bought recently. it's made of ishiwata tubing. i'm not sure where the frame was assembled (either here in the u.s. or in japan). the 412/414 is a little weird. it's a good kind of weird though.
    Trek used a similar stop, but didn't spot-weld them as appears to be the case with this frame.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Katiesmalls View Post
    Fuji America or pro
    The lugs have some differences from my '79 America. My America also doesn't have the downtube stop due to being stock with Barcons. It could be a later model, I guess.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnDThompson View Post
    Trek used a similar stop, but didn't spot-weld them as appears to be the case with this frame.
    oh, you're right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lascauxcaveman View Post
    Like everyone else, I'm thinking Japanese too, early 80s. What makes you think it's NOS, rather than a respray? Have you scratched the primer to see if there's any color underneath it?
    I only think it's NOS as that's what I was told when I picked it up. There was just bare metal under the primer. It's already got it's first coat of "cottage green" paint. I think I'll do a white outline around the lugs.

    I'm going to build it up with a campag veloce gropset. I haven't done this sort of thing before on an older bike so hopefully all goes well. I'll get some pics up when its done.

    Thanks for all the replys guys.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jingo Lingo View Post
    I haven't done this sort of thing before on an older bike so hopefully all goes well. I'll get some pics up when its done.

    Thanks for all the replys guys.
    Sorry if this is terribly off-topic. I just couldn't help myself.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aTT-Jmi1nOc

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    Quote Originally Posted by seedsbelize View Post
    Sorry if this is terribly off-topic. I just couldn't help myself.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aTT-Jmi1nOc
    I liked Jesse Winchester's (the guy who wrote this tune) version better...now we are officially off-topic!

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    I definitely missed something...

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