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Old 03-13-15, 04:33 PM
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Originally Posted by rhm
I'm kinda tempted to try to fire it up. Suggestions?

If it were me, Rudi, I would dump out the old fuel, rinse it out with some fresh fuel, dump that and try some new Coleman fuel.
If there is varnish, moisture or other contamination in that old fuel you don't want to bring it up into the mechanism. That could really cause you a headache.
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Originally Posted by rootboy
If it were me, Rudi, I would dump out the old fuel, rinse it out with some fresh fuel, dump that and try some new Coleman fuel.
If there is varnish, moisture or other contamination in that old fuel you don't want to bring it up into the mechanism. That could really cause you a headache.
Okay, so let's pretend I've done that (no, I haven't. But I might. Let's just pretend.) Now what?
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I don't carry anything while touring that is vintage camping gear because so much has improved over the years that it makes it just darn right silly to try to carry a light load on a bicycle with vintage stuff...although I do ride a sort of vintage bike because the bike is about the same weight as a modern touring bike but the vintage components are more trouble free and easier to work on, so I ride an 85 Schwinn Le Tour Luxe. I like a lot of vintage stuff, but I also like a lot of modern stuff just depends on why.

I pack the AeroPress because it's cheap to buy and easy to use, along with pre-ground coffee because I don't want to carry a grinder when touring. I heat the water to almost boiling on a Trangia Westwind Stove (lots of good small camping stoves on the market I just happen to chose this one) which only takes about 3 minutes for a cup of water. I then press the coffee into a Snow Peak Titanium cup. There are all sorts of way to make coffee while touring, that's the way I chose to do it, there are camping french press devices but I prefer to filter the crud out which is why I chose the AeroPress; there is also an espresso maker called the Wild Hybrid which uses either espresso grounds or ESE pods, I thought seriously about that one but concluded I didn't want a $110 coffee maker to take touring. Of course if you want great tasting coffee you need great tasting water so I use an old Pur Scout water filter, it's kind of clunky compared to newer filters but it works great, someday I may replace it.

The stove I mentioned is very fuel efficient, you can read about it here: Trangia Westwind Stove

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Originally Posted by Bianchigirll
I like a slightly different libation,

Now that's what I'm talkin' 'bout! Crown and Crown? I have been known to stroll on down to concerts in the park with G&T in a go-cup...

I understand the social gathering concept, but I have never once had a hankering for coffee on a ride. My wife sometimes takes a Zogirushi full of a hot beverage. (Google it: 2 hours later you can still burn your lips!) When I get done with a long hard ride, or even if I am in the middle of a nice stroll, I want me a *** **** beer. A good one. Made by a local guy named Hans or maybe Frank. And it better not be ice cold either. They make good beers in cans now, but I prefer a bottle in front of me...
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Originally Posted by mountaindave
Now that's what I'm talkin' 'bout! Crown and Crown? I have been known to stroll on down to concerts in the park with G&T in a go-cup...

I understand the social gathering concept, but I have never once had a hankering for coffee on a ride. My wife sometimes takes a Zogirushi full of a hot beverage. (Google it: 2 hours later you can still burn your lips!) When I get done with a long hard ride, or even if I am in the middle of a nice stroll, I want me a *** **** beer. A good one. Made by a local guy named Hans or maybe Frank. And it better not be ice cold either. They make good beers in cans now, but I prefer a bottle in front of me...
I can't drink beer on a ride, just can't for some reason, in fact I don't drink much anyways so maybe once a month at a restaurant I'll have a dark Irish beer and thats it. On a long (non touring) ride I carry a small GU flask on my bike filled with very strong French Pressed black coffee which I gulp as I ride, this does the same thing as GU or other such expensive bike boutique energy boosters but for far less money. When I tour though I like a cup of coffee in the morning just like I do at home, it's relaxing, taste great, gives me a small boost to wake up with. I don't go nuts with coffee, I only drink one cup of French Pressed coffee (actually I use the AeroPress at home too which claims it's an Espresso maker but it's actually a filtered French Press), and thats all I'll drink all day unless going on a long one day ride then I carry the flask.
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Originally Posted by rhm
Okay, so let's pretend I've done that (no, I haven't. But I might. Let's just pretend.) Now what?
Then try to fire it up with the usual methods. I used to just hold a lighter, or burning piece of paper, under my fount (tank) to pressurize it a bit.
Remove it from the tin case first, of course. Got the little needle tool for cleaning out the nozzle?
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Originally Posted by Velocivixen
I'm not sure if this has a name, and I'm curious if any of you do this. What particular supplies you use. Are the items you use vintage? Of course you will ride a vintage bicycle. You will carry water, hand operated coffee grinder, aero press or french press, etc., a mini camp stove. You ride to a destination - maybe your favorite spot by the river or to a park. It could be anywhere, the you break out your supplies. While the water is on the stove you grind your beans. Enjoy a lovely cup of coffee. I've seen blogs where people are out early morning, usually in urban but scenic places and they have these as "meet ups" with others.

I've got bikes, grinder, aero press but no camp stove. Esbit sells a tiny foldable one.

Anyway I know that @adventurepdx makes tea during stops around. Maybe he will chime in.

So, does this have a name? Do you do it? Would you like to do it?
VelociV, I think it's a lovely and hospitable idea. What would you do for the grinder? What is yours?
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To each their own. I can drink one coffee a day, but much prefer to go without on a big ride day. I also choose energy gels without caffeine. At the end of a ride, one beer is about all I need as well. But I think I'm talking about a different kind of ride than VV was talking about. For a social gathering ride, meet at a park and do coffee, I'd bring a picnic pannier full of whatever I needed. I don't think weight would be an issue for such a ride. Hand grinder (even if it wasn't a perfect grind) would be cool. Things always taste better out in the woods anyway.
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Originally Posted by mountaindave
Now that's what I'm talkin' 'bout! Crown and Crown? I have been known to stroll on down to concerts in the park with G&T in a go-cup...

I understand the social gathering concept, but I have never once had a hankering for coffee on a ride. My wife sometimes takes a Zogirushi full of a hot beverage. (Google it: 2 hours later you can still burn your lips!) When I get done with a long hard ride, or even if I am in the middle of a nice stroll, I want me a *** **** beer. A good one. Made by a local guy named Hans or maybe Frank. And it better not be ice cold either. They make good beers in cans now, but I prefer a bottle in front of me...
Full disclosure as cool as this flask is I have yet to actually use it, on a bike. I did take it on a few trips with my reserve unit and it was great for sneaking a few sips on the crew bus after they started cracking down on drinking on the bus, post mission of course.

I did once take a huge water bottle full of ice and healthy shot of good bourbon on e midnight birthday ride, it was great until I realized if anything happened I might have DUI issues.

I seldom stop for anything but water riding solo but in a group a stop for good cup of iced coffee and good salt bagel dripping with cream cheese is always good eats.
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While I have never done the "one cup meetup," what I carry for camping would work. A Trangia alcohol stove and one cup french press will fill the bill.


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Originally Posted by noglider
When I was a teenager, we used that blue one. What was it? It worked well for us!
I think it is a Gloy's.
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Originally Posted by irwin7638
A Trangia alcohol stove and one cup french press will fill the bill
French presses use different size beans. Plus there is always the danger of the death cup. Wouldn't want that to happen.
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FWIW I have never had Coleman fuel (AKA "white gas") go bad or develop varnish or the horrid stink that old, regular, gasoline can and has done. I don't store Coleman fuel in the device (stove, lantern or heater) but fuel left in its original square can has lasted for DECADES and still burned reliably. I drain the devices before storing and always fill using a Coleman funnel that has a felt filter.
OTOH I have had some motorcycle tanks and carbs ruined from long-term storing of untreated gasoline left in the tank/fuel lines.

And for those who filter-brew their coffee: does anybody else use that trick of folding a regular "basket" type paper filter to fit in a tapered cone? It's handy if you're ever stuck out in the Tules (hinterlands) with all your paper cone filters used up and can still find that basket style anywhere...even a motel room.
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VelociV, I think it's a lovely and hospitable idea. What would you do for the grinder? What is yours?
I bought the Porlex Mini Grinder. The Epicureancyclist blog (local guy) has reviews on bike/camping items, so I read his. As this is Portland I went over to Stumptown Coffee Roasters and they have both the Porlex as well as the Aeropress. Here's the link for the Porlex Vs Hario grinder review. His Blog has a TON of reviews/info., not just bike and camping, but camera, fly fishing, etc. He & his wife have a blog called Path Less Pedaled, and both are excellent.

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Originally Posted by rootboy
Then try to fire it up with the usual methods. I used to just hold a lighter, or burning piece of paper, under my fount (tank) to pressurize it a bit.
Remove it from the tin case first, of course. Got the little needle tool for cleaning out the nozzle?
I have the needle tool, and the key, attached to the rest of the stove with a chain. I see how you use the key to adjust gas flow and lift the stove in and out of the housing. But I don't believe I've seen this stove in operation since some time in the 70s, and I want patting attention at the time.
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Posted by Jimmuller: "French presses use different size beans. Plus there is always the danger of the death cup. Wouldn't want that to happen."

Different size beans? Do you mean coarse grind vs a finer grind?
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Originally Posted by rhm
I have the needle tool, and the key, attached to the rest of the stove with a chain. I see how you use the key to adjust gas flow and lift the stove in and out of the housing. But I don't believe I've seen this stove in operation since some time in the 70s, and I want patting attention at the time.
Ah. I figured you were an old hand at these, Rudi
BTW, Unworthy1 has a good point. The fuel in the tank may be just fine. It doesn't degrade like regular gasoline. Or as much. I think I would still change it out since it's been in there so long. Coleman fuel is cheap.

So, here is instructions from one of many sites. Like this guy mentions in his preamble, not shown, I also learned this method from my copy of The Complete Walker. Another great book.

Make sure you rotate your pot supports (three small “L” shaped pieces of wire which look like they are made from cut-off nails) inward, as it is difficult to do once the stove has been lit.
Open the control key fully, and blow across the stove just underneath the burner. Opening the control fully activates a “pricker” wire which clears the burner jet of any potential blockage, and blowing across it will eliminate any detritus in the area.
Close the control key fully, then open it a ¼ of a turn.
Now, take a small piece of paper, a Kleenex, or, if you are Mitt Romney, a dollar bill and light it.
Hold the concave bottom of the stove’s gas tank directly above the flame, so that the flame is touching the bottom of the tank. The idea here is that you are heating the gas in the tank, which will cause liquid gas to expand and run out of the nozzle (jet), and down the vaporizer into the primer pan. Some users simply apply the lighter directly to the bottom of the tank, but before you use the new pencil torch you got for your birthday, or some other semi-welding or soldering implement, remember that not much heat is required and that you are working with a brass tank filled with gasoline. In short, don’t get cute with innovations.
When the primer pan is full, close the controlling key completely, and set your stove down on the paper remnant to assure it is extinguished.
Light the small pool of liquid gas in the primer pan, and avoid the natural impulse to run away in a panic which occurs when you realize you have set the outside of your gas tank on fire!
After 15 or 20 seconds, the flame will begin to atomize the gas in the vaporizer, and will also begin to pressurize the stove’s tank. You will be able to hear small “jetting” noises, but resist opening your control key before the entire pool of gas in the primer pan is consumed as it will result in a weak, guttering flame.
Just before the priming flame dies out, open the gas valve and it will ignite the now-atomized gas shooting out of the nozzle with a pulsing roar. If you miss the window, have a match or small lighter at the ready. The stove will continue to pressurize itself for as long as there is gas in the tank and the flame is maintained.
The “pulsing” roar is normal for this stove.
The burner ring will heat to red, but will not melt. Once the ring is red, it will automatically relight the burner if it is extinguished by a gust of wind.
Avoid trying to simmer until after the burner ring has reached temp.

EDIT: BTW, Rudi, these instructions assume the later variation with the self-cleaning needle built in to the head/nozzle. Your model 71 doesn't have one. Just use your little pricker tool to clean out the nozzle prior to firing.


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Yes, FP needs a quite coarse grind, espresso a much finer grind.
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I'd travel with my tiny Bodum French press, as I like it. But afraid of breaking the glass.
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I have a single acrylic bodum press, a Trangia stove, and pre-grind my coffee... and often pack a thermos in which I can make tea.
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Originally Posted by unworthy1

And for those who filter-brew their coffee: does anybody else use that trick of folding a regular "basket" type paper filter to fit in a tapered cone? It's handy if you're ever stuck out in the Tules (hinterlands) with all your paper cone filters used up and can still find that basket style anywhere...even a motel room.
I'll show you how if you need to know....
I'll confess that in times of need I've filtered coffee through a (very clean) paper towel. I'm no snob, but it tasted fine.
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^so have I^ but I think "real" filter paper holds together better and actually does the job better. "Paper towel" seemed to take much longer to drip and just stopped (due to clogging?) before a big cup was full.
The Aeropress uses a common "laboratory" filter round that you can get in different grades (micron openings) if you buy them from a lab supply where they sell for fractions of a cent when you buy a stack of hundreds. Wonder what grade Aeropress decided was ideal for coffee pressing? I don't use one of those myself, I may be a snob but they are just too much plastic and too fussy; ditto the french press: fine idea until you have to clean out the grounds!
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I've used the flat bottomed "Mr Coffee" type filters in a cone, in a pinch. Works OK. I've also resorted to the old cowboy coffee routine now and again. Pot of boiling water, throw in the grounds, let it sit, etc. Not the best cup but some coffee is better than none. Especially out in the boonies on a cold morning at the camp site.
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