jessie84

I've tried using the following guide to determine the model https://cyclespeugeot.com/PDFs/1977pdf.pdf - but I'm struggling to be certain. Any experts out there?

repechage

Probably not a PX. The light mount on the seat stay is curious, I think a model not imported to the USA.

Clang

The non-drive photo makes it harder to tell, but the crank looks like the Stronglight 49D of the PRN10E. Also a big difference seems to be clincher rims vs tubulars. Yours seems to be clinchers, so all signs point to PRN10E.

Edit: but then like repechage says, yours has a tab on the seat stay that none of the bikes in the catalog have, and the PRN10E doesn't have the chromed stays like yours has. I don't really know, so I'll stop talking now.

jessie84

Ha thanks - it definitely has the saddle of the PX from the catalog (although saddles are easily changed). I picked in up in Germany, so perhaps not imported to the US. Crank has "Stronglight 52" on it - any help?

Roger M

PX 60?

https://www.peugeotshow.com/1976nl/1976nl_03.jpg

Grand Bois

To me, a PX60 is more desirable than a PX10 due to its rarity and practicality.

That's a generator mount on the seat stay.

John E

Chrome rear stays = PX class.
The PR-10 and PKN-10 have the same main triangle and delightful geometry as the PX-10, but seamed carbon steel forks and stays and no chrome on the rear triangle.

bikemig 

I posted this on the other thread the OP started in C&V valuation; the OP will have an easier time of it if there is only one thread on this bike in the C&V valuation thread:

Tough to identify the bike without better (and more) pictures. A picture of the drive side and components would help. Also are there any frame stickers? Higher end peugeots were made of better quality tubing such as Reynolds 531. Based on the one picture you currently have posted, the bike could be a higher end peugeot. It has what looks to be forged drop outs and that is typically the sign of a higher end bike. Also the saddle looks to be one of the better ideale saddles that came stock on the higher end peugeots.

repechage

Looks like it to me, note the Special Peugeot tubing, not 531.

Grand Bois

PA10

Grand Bois

PX60's have Reynolds 531 frames. PA60's do not.

John E

Tres interessant -- thanks for the education. In the early 1970s, with the previous decal pattern, chrome stays were reserved for the PX-10, and everything else had painted stays. As your frame demonstrates, some of the lesser frames got chrome stays in the mid-1970s.

CMAW 

My guess is a PA 60 (non-Reynolds tubing), based on the fork crown, plus stem and bars that don't match the PX. Easily determined by weighing: a PX should be around 11 kg, a PA a few kgs more. If the derailers are partly delrin (looks like it), that is further proof.

Grand Bois

I believe you are correct. The Stronglight 49D is additional evidence.

A PA can be a very nice ride. I actually prefer my PA10 to my PX10 because the relaxed head tube angle makes it less twitchy. About the only time I notice the weight difference is when I lift it into the back of my truck.

dddd

Those Tufos look tres cool, and there's nothing like having a relaxed ride quality.

I say this as I'm about to head out into windy conditions on my "new" Australian bike with 76-degree angles and a seat position nearly vertical above the bb...

jessie84

Thanks for all your expertise (and sorry for the double posting). So, I guess we are looking at a PA60... More pictures below, in case there is still a question on the model?

miamijim

What does the decal between the shifters say?

Chrome stays: Not exclusive to a PX
Inoxydable decal: Not exclusive to Reynolds decals

jessie84

Decal between the shifters says 'CADRE ALLEGE PEUGEOT'.

qd-s

I think PA60 is correct. The mudguards (Bluemels "classique"), generator and lights are missing.
AFAIK the P_60 (PA, PR, PX, PY) variants were only sold in Europe.

I have a very similar PA60 in my stable (-> Klassiker des Monats 03/2009 - Seite 7) that I bought missing its saddle, so I do not know exactly if the one I fitted (Ideale 80) is the model it was delivered with. Your saddle probably is an Ideale 2001.
The stem on mine also is a little different, but we are talking about Peugeots...

Hubs: as far as I observed over the years, this type of skewers' adjusting nuts (4 plastic lobes instead of 2 plastic wings) was only used around 1976.
In my opinion there is a good chance that yours is a 1976 bike, too. You might find a date code tinyly stamped into the brake calipers' back sides, e.g. "10 - 76".

Same on mine.

jessie84

Yes it could definitely be the same. Although my crank is a `Stronglight 52` - does that change anything? I will try and find a date stamp on the brake calipers.

John E

That is one sharp looking bike, and I like your crank and derailleur upgrades, and of course I am big on relaxed frame geometries and handlebar-mounted water bottles. That would be the perfect commuter or light tourer.

qd-s

Stronglight cranks do not wear their particular model number (e.g. 57, 63, 93, 99, 105...).
That "52" you are referring to is probably the tooth count of the big chainring.

The crankset on your Peugeot definitely is a Stronglight 49D:
VeloBase.com - Component: Stronglight 49D (Marque Deposee)

You will probably have to take the calipers off the bike to perceive the tiny markings (if actually there are digits. Date codes were stamped for only a short period in the mid-seventies, AFAIK)

Grand Bois

I'm sure that the stem is not original. What is the black thing above the rear brake on the seat tube?

Replace the brake cables and housings and run them behind the bars instead of under them.

It's interesting that the PA60 got Normandy Luxe Competition hubs while the PA10 got the Normandy Sports.

Very cool bike!

jessie84

The black thing is just the plastic clipper for my rear light. Thanks for the tip on the brake cables - will do!

jessie84

Info much appreciated, thanks qd-s!